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10 Things We Hate About ‘10 Things I Hate About You: 90s Nostalgia
Summary:
We take a hilarious walk down memory lane with 10 Things I Hate About You, from Heath Ledger’s magnetic charm to the iconic scenes that made this film an essential 90s classic. Whether you’re into teen drama, Shakespearean adaptations, or 90s nostalgia, this episode’s a must-listen.
By the Numbers: 10 Things I Hate About You (1999)
- Total budget spent: $13 million
- Gross revenue: $53.5 million worldwide
- Box office revenue: $38.2 million (domestic)
- Streaming revenue: Not publicly available
- Awards won: 3 (MTV Movie Awards, Teen Choice Awards)
Main Cast:
- Julia Stiles as Kat Stratford
- Heath Ledger as Patrick Verona
- Joseph Gordon-Levitt as Cameron James
- Larisa Oleynik as Bianca Stratford
- David Krumholtz as Michael Eckman
- Andrew Keegan as Joey Donner
- Gabrielle Union as Chastity Church
- Larry Miller as Walter Stratford
Fun Facts:
- The movie is loosely based on Shakespeare's Taming of the Shrew.
- Heath Ledger beat out Ashton Kutcher and Josh Hartnett for the role of Patrick Verona.
- The high school featured in the movie is a real school: Stadium High School in Tacoma, Washington.
- Julia Stiles’ tearful reading of the poem at the end of the film was done in a single take.
- The band Letters to Cleo performs live in the film and sings the cover of “I Want You to Want Me” on the rooftop.
- The film was shot in just 6 weeks.
- The film's title was inspired by screenwriter Karen McCullah's diary entry about a past boyfriend.
- Kat’s car in the movie was Heath Ledger’s real personal car.
Movie Mistakes:
- When Kat gets angry and backs into Joey's car, the damage to both cars varies between shots.
- During the final scene at prom, the flowers on the tables change positions between shots.
- When Cameron is teaching Bianca French, the subtitles don't always match his pronunciation.
- In the party scene, the level of punch in Joey's glass changes multiple times between cuts.
Key Takeaways:
- 10 Things I Hate About You grossed over $53 million at the box office in 1999, solidifying its place as a 90s teen classic.
- The film is a modern adaptation of Shakespeare's The Taming of the Shrew, set in a high school.
- Heath Ledger beat out actors like Ashton Kutcher and Josh Hartnett for the role of Patrick Verona, which became his breakout role.
- Julia Stiles' memorable poem scene was improvised, adding an extra layer of authenticity to her emotional performance.
- Joseph Gordon-Levitt, who played Cameron, went on to become one of the most successful actors of his generation.
- The movie was filmed at Stadium High School in Tacoma, Washington, with the school's castle-like architecture giving the film its distinctive setting.
- Letters to Cleo, the band performing in the iconic rooftop scene, became closely associated with the film’s memorable soundtrack.
- The film is noted for its progressive portrayal of strong, independent female characters, especially through Kat Stratford’s no-nonsense attitude.
- The movie's witty dialogue and sharp humor are frequently cited as reasons why it has stood the test of time among fans of 90s teen films.
- Julia Stiles won the MTV Movie Award for Best Breakthrough Female Performance for her role as Kat Stratford.
- Gabrielle Union, who played Bianca’s friend Chastity, went on to have a successful career in both film and television.
- 10 Things I Hate About You remains a
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Speaker 2:I loved it. He's so romantic.
Speaker 3:Romantic Hemingway. He was an abusive, alcoholic misogynist who squandered half his life hanging around Picasso trying to nail his leftovers. Alright, you wanna know what's unfair this is for you two. This morning, I delivered a set of twins to a 15 year old girl. Do you know what she said to me?
Speaker 2:I'm a crack whore who should have made my skeezy boyfriend wear a condom. You ready to do this? Oh yeah, let's go. 10 things I hate about you. That's what we're talking about. That's what we're talking about. But I do like the song. You turned it off.
Speaker 5:Oh, we wanted to keep going with that. No, that's okay All right. We should do more show prep next time, maybe, maybe.
Speaker 2:But we have some quotes.
Speaker 5:We're good, that's right and I found my paper, so we're fine. Yeah, freaked out there for a second.
Speaker 1:Who's kicking us off today?
Speaker 4:I a second. Who's kicking us off today, I guess. So we're talking about 10 things I hate about you tonight. So this movie came out in 1999 still in the 90s. It's a screenplay written by karen mccullough and Kirsten Smith. Our main actors we're going to be talking about are Julia Stiles, heath Ledger, joseph Gordon-Levitt, larissa Aldnick, david Krumholz, andrew Keegan, gabrielle Union, allison Janney, susan May Pratt and Larry Miller.
Speaker 5:A lot of big names there.
Speaker 4:Yes, and a lot of them got their start with this movie. I know like five.
Speaker 5:I knew like three.
Speaker 2:I knew two.
Speaker 4:I definitely know Julia Stiles, because, oh, we know, you know.
Speaker 2:Julia Stiles. Who doesn't know Julia Stiles?
Speaker 5:Before this movie. I don't think I knew Julia Stiles when it first came out.
Speaker 4:But you said you, this is the first time you saw it, it is I'm just saying I don't know her, like I can't put her in another movie this was you don't know, julia styles.
Speaker 1:No, I don't. What else did she do?
Speaker 2:all right, we'll get in that later oh my goodness, I like her though, gabrielle you, I didn't know she was in this. Yeah, yeah, I watched the whole thing and didn't even know that you didn't realize it was her now the lady who plays the counselor.
Speaker 5:Is she not the same lady who plays the press secretary from um west wing?
Speaker 4:I've seen west okay, allison janey is a pretty she reminded me of Miss Hannigan from Annie no that's not her.
Speaker 2:I know it's not her.
Speaker 4:She's so funny.
Speaker 2:I'm just saying she reminded me of her.
Speaker 4:She's in this fairly recent show um called mom yeah, we've seen that yeah, it's like the mom and the daughter right, yeah, yeah, yeah, with um Anna Faris, say Faris.
Speaker 5:So Roger Ebert gave this movie two and a half stars out of four. He sucks. Do you know what he said about it?
Speaker 4:I'm scared what.
Speaker 5:Actually he said good things about it.
Speaker 2:He said how did he say good things and he got a 2.4?
Speaker 5:No 2.5 out of four. I mean at most maybe a three. And he wrote and yet, gee, the movie is charming Despite its exhausted wheeze of an ancient, recycled plot idea. Boy boy takes bribe to ask girl to prom, then discovers that he really likes her, but then she finds out about the bribe and hates him. I haven't seen that idea in almost two months. That's, that's kind of fair. Um, I think we simply have to dump the entire plot and appreciate the performances and some of the jolliest scenes. I think that's a really fair take on this movie, because the plot is recycled, been done a million times, but the acting, some of the lines pretty good. The plot points I don't know.
Speaker 2:I could get behind that assessment Okay.
Speaker 4:Well, I mean, it's also based off of William Shakespeare's Taming of the Shrew, so there's a base for where they did get this plot line.
Speaker 5:No, I know.
Speaker 1:There goes the rest of my notes.
Speaker 5:Thank you for that um, yeah, very loosely based on taming of the shrew. Um, what I found interesting is in I've never read taming of the shrew.
Speaker 2:I've never heard of it.
Speaker 5:Okay, so there's this guy named William Shakespeare. We'll go back to the beginning. But what's interesting about this play is it's really, really controversial because it's like a highly misogynistic, sexist play Because it's about taming a shrew. So the shrew in the play is a woman who needs to be tamed, and um, a lot of uh, controversy about his play. But it was written in the 1500s, so whatever I give it a four four out of four four out of five oh okay, he did it out of four. Yeah, he's out of four yeah, that's.
Speaker 4:That's an interesting rating what is that?
Speaker 5:a four yeah, two and a half out of four rotten tomatoes gives it a 71, which makes it fresh, although barely, and imdb gives it 7.3.
Speaker 1:What.
Speaker 3:How does the Rotten Tomatoes work, like the higher the percentage, the better the movie?
Speaker 5:Yes, so I mean, if you look across the board, it's getting 70s.
Speaker 4:Did they give these scores when it came out, or are these current?
Speaker 2:I think they're a little bit of both. All right, kick us off so we don't go too far down the wrong path here.
Speaker 4:All right, well, going back and watching this, I mean Heath Ledger I just got so sad.
Speaker 2:Dead.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yes, but I thought he looked better in the Joker. Am I the only one Anyway? So he was.
Speaker 4:Such a hottie, a star at the the time, but primarily in his homeland of australia. So this was his first big american role that he was in um, and it was also a big. It was a big movie for a lot of them too. Um, this was julia styles big role, which led to a lot of other movies too. Um, but a lot of people suspected, because of the chemistry that julia styles and heath ledger had, that they were dating. But there no one ever confirmed that.
Speaker 5:But the producer actually said that when she was reading her poem at the end that she had more of an emotional connection to a certain joseph gordon levitt yeah, so when she started to cry, yeah, maybe, maybe that's who she was thinking about now I believe I read that they were going to have heath ledger work with a voice acting coach to help his accent, remove some of the accent, and then they decided to just let the accent ride I love his accent, so I'm glad they stuck with it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he is the reason I watched the movie.
Speaker 4:He's julius styles her too. Um, so the building that they actually filmed in for the high school is an actual high school, and it's called stadium high school in tac actual high school and it's called Stadium High School in Tacoma, washington, and it's actually a functional high school still to this day. It was opened in 1906 and has hosted many presidential speakers such as Theodore Roosevelt, woodrow Wilson and Warren G Harding.
Speaker 2:Why is this high school so important?
Speaker 4:So this film also was named after a diary entry that one of the screenwriters, Karen McCullough, wrote. It was about a boyfriend that she had, and in her diary entry she was listing things that she hated about him or that made her unhappy, and that turned into 10 Things I Hate About you. So a little about some of the actors. So Heath Ledger's role was actually he beat out Josh Hartnett and Ashton Kutcher for the role.
Speaker 5:Those were who he was up against. Clueless is based on Emma, by the way by Jane Austen. I did not know that well, I guess I did, because I'm the one who said it, but I could see ashton kutcher, kutcher yeah in that role.
Speaker 2:I could too.
Speaker 4:No, I, I think heath ledger was definitely so young then 1999 I think heath ledger had a little bit more of like that ediness.
Speaker 3:Bad boy vibe. Yeah, I feel like.
Speaker 4:Ashton Kutcher is more like the pretty boy. I don't know, and then for the role of Kat. They originally were thinking of offering to Katie Holmes, but she turned it down and so then went to Julia Stiles.
Speaker 2:Good move.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, I agree. Katie Holmes also gives me that girl next door sweet, she's not in Scientology.
Speaker 5:But Julia Stiles did have the edge for this movie.
Speaker 4:Yes, I agree, and.
Speaker 5:I like that a lot yeah.
Speaker 4:She has that in a lot of the things I've seen her in.
Speaker 2:It's the face, her face. She's got that face. Well, tell us more about that face. She's just got that face, the RBF face.
Speaker 5:She pulls it off. She pulls that off, especially the interactions with the English teacher. I love that part, those parts A flash.
Speaker 1:No, um, I love, I love that part those parts a flash or no?
Speaker 4:that was not. That was her coach? I think no, her her english teacher. He like censored a detention a bunch of times who looked like a student himself.
Speaker 3:He was so young.
Speaker 2:He looked very who was that who played?
Speaker 4:I know he looked really familiar to me too but, he didn't come up as one of the like. I know he looked really familiar to me too, but he didn't come up as one of the like.
Speaker 5:The main actors, but I he was like, he kind of like stole the show so he was so good. Um, under favorite quotes I only put one quote wow, wow, hold on so it should be this whole movie, one quote. Well, I only have a page so I wrote um, I know how difficult it must be to, oh, I know how difficult it must be to overcome all those years of upper middle class suburban oppression. I was like that was fantastic.
Speaker 3:That was good.
Speaker 5:Yeah, there's other quotes. That's the one I wrote down. I just thought that was great how he put her in her place with that line.
Speaker 4:So the role of Joey Donner, the model, yes, it was originally intended to be played by James Franco.
Speaker 5:I could see that. Okay, real quick, how's this? That was underwear.
Speaker 4:Doesn't change at all.
Speaker 5:Same exact look Wait Tube socks. It's the same exact look Wait Tube socks.
Speaker 4:The film grossed over $53 million at the box office.
Speaker 1:That's it.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I mean, I don't know, it's the 90s. There's actually. We were talking about this before because we were getting confused when we were trying to find it but there's a TV series adaptation that came out in 2009.
Speaker 2:Yes, I seen it at all, but doesn't feel like that would be good yeah, do you know how many seasons there were?
Speaker 5:one one season wow no, I don't know I thought you were gonna tell us that was my guess, I was asking oh, we can look it up okay look it up.
Speaker 2:Okay, look it up. I feel like we should give it a shot.
Speaker 5:Nope, I don't.
Speaker 4:Maybe, I feel like you're going to fall asleep.
Speaker 5:I don't want to give it a shot A series.
Speaker 4:That's a lot of episodes.
Speaker 2:Oh, I can do the series. I can't do long movies. I did fall asleep at this movie.
Speaker 5:Oh, that's great Good job I did Erica at this movie, oh that's great Good job I did.
Speaker 4:Erica called you out.
Speaker 1:When did he fall asleep? What part?
Speaker 4:Well, you didn't know, there was a concert there wasn't a concert.
Speaker 2:They were in the nightclub and he was being shady who? Heath Ledger, what's his character's name? How was he being shady? Patrick, patrick, yeah, he was being shiesty. He was stalking her. He was trying to be Mr Slick.
Speaker 5:Well, yeah, because the other kids told him she'll be at this concert.
Speaker 4:You need to be there. That's what he's saying. He was getting paid to be there.
Speaker 5:Yeah, okay. This is how we review movies but she seems attracted to him right at the right up the as soon as he comes on to her, though I think she was attracted to the fact that he only had one liver. Is that not true? How many livers do you have? Oh wait, one kidney. How many livers do?
Speaker 4:you have what? Oh wait, One kidney. How many livers do you have?
Speaker 5:What did they say? That he gave up something.
Speaker 4:They said how are you drinking? Should you be drinking without a liver Right?
Speaker 5:Right, you have one liver though. Oh, okay, okay.
Speaker 2:So did we get to the jungle? Yet we moving on? There we go. Now you gotta sing it for us. Erica can sing. I work out to this song. Sometimes it motivates you. This is a good song too.
Speaker 4:And it just draws that picture. That clearly she's a little bit of the outcast At school here.
Speaker 5:Plus she drives a beater Her car.
Speaker 3:I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 5:We all know what a beater is right. I mean, her car is Pretty banged up. I know what you're talking about. We all know what a beater is right, I mean her car is pretty banged up.
Speaker 4:She doesn't care. She doesn't give a shit. So then she enters school and she walks by.
Speaker 3:We see the poster for the school dance, which is going to be a big plot line for this movie rips that movie and she ripped it down a couple times yeah, she's very anti-prom I haven't fallen asleep at this point because I know good oh you mean like the first minute of the movie
Speaker 4:that's great um, and this movie does a lot of like switching back and forth between, like the characters. So we immediately switch over to uh Cameron, who's a new student. He's meeting with the guidance counselor and she's asking him to wait as she finishes writing in her new novel.
Speaker 5:Any lines from this novel that we want to go over. I did not write.
Speaker 2:What was the one where she said something's pulsating and then like your hands on the thigh to creamy white thigh or something.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I thought there was something about like engorged, engorged was in it.
Speaker 5:Now there was a line and I'm sure we'll get to it. But when he shows up to the office, the bad guy Heath Ledger and she's like. So I heard you pulled your member out at the in the cafeteria and he goes to bratwurst it was a bratwurst. And she goes aren't we the optimist?
Speaker 4:and he just looks at her and then she immediately changes her story from whatever to bratwurst which is fantastic so he leaves, and then we meet heath ledger's character and I think this is the part you're talking about and we learn that he's in trouble for, as you said, um. So cameron meets um a character named michael who's going to give him a tour of the school. Um, michael teaches Cameron all about the different cliques at their school, and I immediately thought of Mean Girls during this scene, you know, when they're talking to Caddy in the cafeteria and they're like naming all the different cliques like I feel like this was like the original like Mean Girls scene.
Speaker 4:So Cameron immediately sees Bianca for the first time and he's completely taken with her. But michael tells him that, um, she has a really uptight father and the stratford sisters are not allowed to date at all. Um, so we switch over to kat in her english class and she has the coolest english teacher ever, which we discuss, which we don't know the name, but he steals the show.
Speaker 5:At some point I'll play a clip from something.
Speaker 4:But they're discussing. The Sun Also Rises and Kat's sharing her opinions. She hates Hemingway. She really does.
Speaker 5:She says he's a total misogynist.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 5:Something about Hemingway is, he did not write women well.
Speaker 4:No. That's like a known thing about him leave the classroom her teacher rolls his eyes as she gives all her opinions.
Speaker 5:Can we ask her to take my doll before class next time?
Speaker 4:direct quote I just hate his character so much.
Speaker 5:Wait, the model guy. He is the worst.
Speaker 4:He is the worst.
Speaker 2:He reminds me of the character, reminds me of the guy from Zombies.
Speaker 1:Not vampires, zombies.
Speaker 5:I have not seen those movies, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Oh, I have, and it sucks.
Speaker 1:He reminds me of him, pretty boy.
Speaker 5:Then he talks about how Black Raiders can never get studied at the end.
Speaker 4:This is one of my favorites.
Speaker 5:Then he just walks out Cool.
Speaker 4:Coolest teacher ever.
Speaker 5:Now leave.
Speaker 2:That scene was packed.
Speaker 5:It was so good there's so much going on there there's only like maybe two scenes that the teacher's in that's right, he's incredible he really is a scene stealer yeah, because he carries the movie for those two scenes and yet if you look him up, I don't know what he's done yeah, I'm not sure.
Speaker 4:Um looks very familiar to me though. Um, so she, he, she sent to the, to the guidance counselor's office, um which I don't know how your schools worked, but like if you got in trouble you didn't go to the guidance counselor well, let me tell you about public education, where we went to school.
Speaker 5:I was in public school and we never got kicked. If we got kicked out of the class, it wasn't to go anywhere. We, we had to walk the hallways. Really we had to go like vice principal actually we got kicked out, we just you walk up and down the hallway yeah, we just would go for a walk because there was nowhere to go actually we had someone, I forget what it was something, something of discipline like oh yes, that's an official title.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I know we go see shako hennessy right now like, no, that like sometimes there were teachers that like um held like the in-school suspensions and stuff yeah, they like would be in charge of all that. Yeah, it definitely wouldn't have been the guidance counselor yeah, no, she would.
Speaker 3:This was like. Her only job was discipline something. I can't remember I remember who it was, but I don't remember what her title was did you guys get in trouble a lot at school.
Speaker 2:There were 97 kids in her class, a very small school.
Speaker 4:Yeah, uh, so she sent to the guidance counselor who has a serious talk to her with her about how people see her.
Speaker 5:As a bitch Maniacal. Bitch is what she says. What did she say? I don't know her direct quote, that's the quote.
Speaker 4:I just got it.
Speaker 2:I wasn't sleeping yet, see.
Speaker 4:And then we switch over to Michael and Cameron talking about Bianca, and I did not like this part and I have a few things to say.
Speaker 5:Hold on a second. What part?
Speaker 4:Okay, so they're talking about Bianca Stratford and they're talking about her dress, and Michael talks about how she wears it. He says for for guys like him to know, like that they can never have her.
Speaker 2:And guys where are you at in this movie? Is this the black underwear section, guys?
Speaker 4:no, that's like way later want her and guys like michael to know they can never have her and I, like I know it's the 90s, but I had a lot of. What.
Speaker 2:There's got to be a story as to why you don't like this.
Speaker 4:Because it's extremely sexist. That she's specifically wearing her dress to be a tease is what he's saying.
Speaker 5:There it is okay, that's it.
Speaker 4:Yeah, okay, I had a huge problem with this, which part he's saying that she specifically wears her dress to be a tease. That's what he's saying.
Speaker 5:I will say this, though I mean at least in that part of the movie she had no interest in Cameron.
Speaker 4:I think you're missing my whole point. What? Was your point, my point is that they're saying that she dresses for men. Guess what she can dress for herself when she gets up in the morning. Guess what that could be her favorite dress does she have black underwear?
Speaker 2:later in the movie. I'm really messing up my feminist I did not like.
Speaker 5:I did not like that part I will say one of my biggest criticisms of the movie is the sister, not cat, the other one, bianca bianca. I felt like she was really just not really a third three-dimensional like person in the movie. I felt like she was just there to help move the plot along and you really had no idea who she was at any point they could have been by design, though had no idea who she was at any point.
Speaker 4:They could have been by design, though she's not my favorite, but I don't.
Speaker 2:I just don't like the comments that are just like it was, it was the times, and that's that's how it was that's true, but this is also coming from a guy who's like an outcast.
Speaker 5:You know he's I don't know his name, but that nerdy guy who rides the scooter, who, by the way?
Speaker 4:yeah, but he's still being extremely sexist he absolutely is.
Speaker 5:Now he also rides a motor, what's a? A moped with a uh, a shopping cart grocery thing on the front of it, which is?
Speaker 2:and a little helmet you know, the whole helmet was a good touch the whole thing, it makes him it.
Speaker 5:Just you learn who that guy is in that one moment where he's, yeah, on his scooter, on his you need to watch zombies.
Speaker 2:He's the male cheerleader, the male cheerleader, really okay, no, I don't know he's not the act, but that's the exact same.
Speaker 4:Yeah, this is one of my favorite lines in this movie and I don't know why. I just think it's so funny. I know you can be overwhelmed and you can be underwhelmed. Can you ever just be whelmed? I think you can in Europe. I don't know why. I think that's so funny.
Speaker 2:I don't get the Europe part. I don't know. The rest of it was funny. The rest of it was I don't think there's anything like to get. I think it's just like like europe is more sophisticated.
Speaker 4:The whole quote was more like what the fuck like it was.
Speaker 5:Just it's not really helping my case that I just said, but I still really hate that he made those comments about her, her dress, I just well, don't forget, this is based on a very uh uh misogynist, that misogynist sexist play by william shakespeare I know but maybe the maybe there are tones of that throughout we're getting close to probably like. One of my favorite scenes is when the dude loses control.
Speaker 4:Yes, yes, that's exactly what I was going to talk about. So Joey Donner gives Chastity, who's Gabrielle Union's character, and Bianca a ride home, and Kat sees this and she has complete disapproval about this and, as she's pulling out and very angry about the situation, she almost hits Michael, who's on his bike, the with the little uh shopping the shopping cart on the front of the moped and he swerves out of the way and he shares at that time that her nickname is the shrew, which goes back to the william shakespeare play and then he drives off of a hill like a really, really, really big, he goes flying and as he goes over the hill, I'm assuming stunt double here.
Speaker 5:Yeah, there's like a hundred people in the park just go flying to the edge of the hill and you just see him bouncing and bouncing until finally he uh, stops and looks back and throws his arms up like he's okay, and everyone goes wild and then I think he has a concussion did you notice how, like all these sports like fields are like down there, so like I was just thinking about how they all have to like go down that hill to get to all of them?
Speaker 2:like that must take forever there's probably a road that goes around and down a path.
Speaker 4:Maybe they have golf carts. I I don't know. I was just thinking about it, like, I just remember, like in high school like having to time out, like getting dressed and getting to practice on time, and the moment I saw like how far down that was, I like I think I had like PTSD.
Speaker 2:None of that. None of that. Even it still doesn't cross. It still doesn't cross my mind. No, but I'm sure they have a road that takes you down. That it's I mean, it seems like a bunch of rich kids, so maybe they all own.
Speaker 5:They're all rich because uh, I mean that that's. That's the upper middle class society thing. Uh, alludes to that, but um, all right, so we switch over.
Speaker 4:Then we see the stratford home for the first time and we're introduced to their father. He comes in hi katarina. Make anyone cry today?
Speaker 5:sadly no, but it's only 4 30 I have a uh comment about him, the actor. And, by the way, look at this.
Speaker 2:What other things was he in? He has?
Speaker 4:been like? I think he was like a big 90s actor, because have you ever look?
Speaker 1:at this house yeah, I mean he's a doctor.
Speaker 5:We learned he's a doctor. Yeah, yeah, oh, is that what he is? Yeah, it talks about delivering babies um he came up on my feed that he was originally considered for the role of george costanza I could totally see that okay and yeah, uh, what's his name? Who played costanza um? Jason alexander jason alexander was worried because larry something his name's larry something, not larry david lar.
Speaker 1:No hold on Larry Miller.
Speaker 5:Larry Miller was really good friends with Jerry Seinfeld and Jason Alexander felt he had no shot, so he was very surprised that he got the role.
Speaker 4:Wow, that must be so hard to see a show that takes off like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:You almost got Seinfeld particularly.
Speaker 2:It may not have taken off Right.
Speaker 4:Right got. Oh, it may not. It may not have taken off, right right, yeah, all right. So as the dad um enters, he's opening the mail and cat sees she got an acceptance letter from sarah lawrence which she's thrilled about. But her father is not happy about it because it's very far from home and his plan was for her to stay close to home. As bianca enters, the father realizes that a boy drove bianca home and his plan was for her to stay close to home. As bianca enters, the father realizes that a boy drove bianca home. And this is when he reminds them that there is there are two rules in the house, and that one is no dating until you graduate and two is that there's no dating until you graduate. He tells them and this is the. If you could pull this one up, this would be great, because I think it would sound better coming from him. But he talks about how he just delivered twins okay this is a good part.
Speaker 4:No, we're close at that time their dad comes up with a new rule that he thinks is going to be better um, that bianca can date when cat dates, and he thinks this is better because cat does not want to date anyone.
Speaker 5:So that is directly from taming of the shrew okay where the youngest daughter of this guy I don't know it's whatever his name is can't get married until the older daughter marries. So that sets up. That's how this is based on the play.
Speaker 4:So we are flashing back to school now and Bianca and Cameron are meeting for the first time officially, and Cameron has taken on the role of her French tutor, even though he does not know french. Um in a whole ploy to meet her and win her over. So he asks her out and she lets him know that her dad has a new rule that she can actually date um once her sister finds someone to date. But so, um, bianca starts sharing with him that cat used to actually be really popular, and then she got sick of it or something um, she wasn't really sure clear that they're not very close.
Speaker 4:She doesn't know a lot about her, but she isn't sure the real reason that she stepped away from the social scene.
Speaker 5:Um, so michael finds a bunch of guys to interview oh wait, the list of guys who like give their reaction to whether or not they're interested I want it.
Speaker 1:Let me find that real quick when the kid just screams yeah, yeah all right that was pretty funny part are there sheep?
Speaker 4:so they they kind of are losing hope on this whole situation. But then they flash to them being in science class and they see patrick and he's dissecting a frog and cameron wants to get him to date cat, but Michael announces that he's a criminal and Cameron approaches Patrick to ask him about it and he just takes a drill and just drills through his book.
Speaker 5:By the way, he uses that book, the rest of the movie with that giant hole in it, it's his.
Speaker 4:French book. He needs it.
Speaker 5:Right.
Speaker 4:So they come up with an idea. They have to figure out a way to get patrick's attention. So they decide that they need to bribe him with money. So they need a bank. So they're gonna get patrick to date cat by using joey donner's money. So michael presents the idea to Joey while they're in the cafeteria and he asks him. He tells him that the only thing he wants from this is that he wants him to say hello to him in the hallway. You know popular by association and the entire time that he's giving Joey Donner this plan he's just drawing on his cheek there's a big dick on my face, you can play that quote.
Speaker 2:That was actually pretty good. He's just drawing on his cheek. There's a big dick on my face, isn't there? You could play that quote.
Speaker 1:That was actually pretty good and I think I found the spot of the movie where I fell asleep.
Speaker 2:You fell asleep during that scene. I know because I know that the book had the hole in it. But at the end when I saw it, I was like it's got a hole in it, so you didn't see I didn't see the drilling part. Why does the book have a hole in it?
Speaker 3:that's the part I fell asleep at we gotta stop watching these movies late at night yeah, we do.
Speaker 5:Right now he's talking with a, with a penis on his cheek. I like the fact that he kind of he kind of like he uses the corner of his mouth and kind of there's some artistry going on here.
Speaker 4:Can you imagine just sitting there?
Speaker 5:Nobody shakes his hand, he just gives the two thumbs up.
Speaker 4:All right, all right after school, joey confronts patrick and presents the idea to him. Confronts Patrick and presents the idea to him about dating Kat for money so he can date Bianca, and Patrick agrees to do it for $50.
Speaker 5:But then he starts doing some math.
Speaker 4:I'm sorry that does it's 99, but that is still not a lot like yeah, you're not paying for much, and that's I mean, but he also I had another thing where like okay, so it's after school and they're all doing sports. How are they just like allowed to go and like talk to each other?
Speaker 4:Like my father you kind of instructed a Jew like yelling at me like we didn't like practice right next to the other sports that they would have been like. You can't just go and like socialize in the middle of practice. Well, someone wasn't upper middle class, that's just like I'm not going to get back on that.
Speaker 5:The sundress thing.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it's just really the sundress thing. It just made me mad.
Speaker 5:So you don't think she picked her dresses according to which kind of men she wanted to attract?
Speaker 4:No, I think she was like you know what I love this dress and it makes me feel good about myself. You sure about that? Yeah, and I like the way I look in it, so I'm going to wear it. It's not all about the men.
Speaker 2:And she was rocking it. She did a good job.
Speaker 4:Exactly. Thank you, Ryan.
Speaker 5:I clearly am not dressed to attract the opposite sex.
Speaker 4:Okay, let's move on so patrick approaches cat for the first time. Um she, she comes running over to get water after her soccer practice again. Why is he allowed anywhere? Near the field during soccer practice and she's like sweating and trying to like chug water and he's asks her how she's doing. And I love this sweating like a pig, thank you.
Speaker 5:She refuses to go on a date with him several times and, but she does it in a way that leaves the door open, I think she's playing hard to get she is, but she's not like. She's not refusing him in a way that he wouldn't ask again.
Speaker 4:She's refusing him like she's interested I agree, and I also think it was kind of like I think he kind of took her off guard too right so I think she was kind of like she obviously likes the bad boy too.
Speaker 5:If, if that guy asked her out and he had this reputation, I think she was attracted to that.
Speaker 4:Yeah. So Cameron and Michael realize that it's going to be a lot harder to get her to agree to a date. So back at the house, bianca is wearing their mom's pearls. This was something I wanted to bring up to you guys. So it really upsets Kat, and this is where we learned that their mom left them. I don't know. Like I kind of went back and forth about this. Like erica, what do you think like if your sister was wearing your pearls or mom's?
Speaker 4:pearls yeah from like your mom that left you like I don't know. I kind of like I kind of saw both sides of it where, like yeah, I don't are you wearing the pearls or not?
Speaker 5:I?
Speaker 3:know it's. It's hard to say if it's not, like it would depend. You know, like how did mom leave right?
Speaker 5:oh, we know it's not good can't imagine but who cares?
Speaker 2:she's not wearing them.
Speaker 4:I think it was more like like cat came from. I think like kind of ironically it was more like Kat came from. I think like kind of ironically it was like kind of role switched in this situation where Kat was like more of the sentimental.
Speaker 5:Kat associated the pearls with the mom and the younger sister, which also may be because she's the older sister and she was with her a lot longer.
Speaker 4:But I don't know. I kind of thought it was funny that Bianca. It was kind of like yeah, you know what? Like she did you guys wrong. The least you could do is give you a pearl necklace. And this movie goes back and forth, like to the house, to the school, like so many times. So patrick's following.
Speaker 2:I didn't look at it that way I just looked at it as the next scene.
Speaker 4:I didn't notice these transitions either the reason I noticed them is because I was writing down a summary and every five seconds I had to be like okay, now switch to this, Now switch to this. But Patrick's following Kat around and she goes into a music store and Joey pulls up and blocks her car.
Speaker 5:She slams it.
Speaker 4:And she is like are you? Serious, he's like what like and just walks in and she just backs up right into his car and he freaks out and patrick's laughing the whole time well, fun fact about cat's car that was actually heath ledger's car, really.
Speaker 5:Yeah, wow yeah, probably Really yeah, wow.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Probably not now. Oh my God.
Speaker 5:That just went dark. I didn't mean because he was dead, I meant because it was all his riches and stuff. But certainly not now. It doesn't matter, move on.
Speaker 4:It's in a Hall of Fame. It is no.
Speaker 2:I just hope so Could be.
Speaker 4:So Patrick tells Joey that he wants hundred dollars a date now, in advance have you.
Speaker 1:This is getting have you flipped the page yet?
Speaker 4:yes, okay I'm on page three, so we're like halfway oh, that's not bad. We're an hour and five minutes in oh boy um, anyway, so cameron and michael, they offer to help.
Speaker 5:Patrick.
Speaker 4:They offer to help Patrick get Kat to go on a date with him. So they explain that Cameron likes Bianca and that they set this whole thing up to make Joey a pawn. They're just using him as the bank. So Michael sets up an old friend's house to have a party without him knowing.
Speaker 5:I really really like this scene.
Speaker 4:The party scene.
Speaker 5:And I like how, like this guy, it's the nerds. What's his name? Michael, yes, okay, nerd scooter guy yes, he's getting redemption on the other guy.
Speaker 4:Yeah, who cut him out of the NBA club, right, yeah.
Speaker 5:And then he decides what is it when the doorbell rings and he goes oh, that's so-and-so with debris I love that, but also I'm just like brie's amazing.
Speaker 4:That sounds great.
Speaker 5:That sounds like a great party and he's just like the way the whole scene is, like he's going to have this little, you know, super social upper echelon, like party with only a handful of select people and the doorbell rings and they just mad rush his house and I love that.
Speaker 4:I'm not trying to pull a whole, like we're not in the jungle scene yet, but like we have a lot to go until the party, but I have a fact about the dance scene, by the way, that I wanted to use.
Speaker 5:But you go and then I'll bring it up. So, in order to throw this party, michael makes all these flyers and does a totally 90s thing where he just goes to the top of the stairs and just drops them down the stairs and I love the people who are reaching over trying to grab the flyers I was waiting for somebody to fall, people who are reaching over trying to grab the flyer.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I was waiting for somebody to fall. I mean, were there ever high school parties that were literally like announced with flyers?
Speaker 5:yeah, I actually have a seriously I never experienced that.
Speaker 2:No, no I mean not dropping them down, the hallways.
Speaker 4:To me that's evidence like. What if your parents find that? Or another adult or something. Okay. So cameron starts talking to bianca about this party and seeing if she's gonna go, but she tells him she can't go unless cat's going. So bianca tries to share some things about cat with him, um, so that they can try to kind of like figure her out to help patrick. So they go into her bedroom. Oh my god, I was like mortified for her. I can't even imagine if one of my siblings did this to me.
Speaker 4:This is like I know they're not close, but like that is when she pulls out her.
Speaker 5:There's some betrayal happening here, a hundred percent when she pulls out the panties.
Speaker 4:That's not okay.
Speaker 5:And also I couldn't wrap my head around it. She had so many posters up on her wall and I didn't know who any of them were.
Speaker 4:So I wasn't really allowed to put posters up on my walls, but I was the oldest and apparently, like that, rule changed.
Speaker 5:So, like you slept, surrounded by nothing but like white walls, no, they call that prison. They were colorful, but you know, because I was the oldest and then all my other siblings had, was it hard to tape over the?
Speaker 2:pads what? That's terrible Wow.
Speaker 4:I had a really good childhood. Okay, I just wasn't. My mom didn't want us ruining the walls until you know my next sibling did it Until your siblings came along.
Speaker 2:I kind of feel like you might have been Rapunzel, just locked away.
Speaker 4:No, I no, but I wasn't, I didn't, I wasn't like a rule breaker, but I don't know, I was a good kid anyway that's the next podcast.
Speaker 5:Go ahead. Next episode, next episode.
Speaker 4:I'm a good kid um so cameron and um michael enter the bar that patrick is playing pool at. Clearly, they're out of place, um, and they're coming to share all the things they learned about cat look, I know um, let me just ask something.
Speaker 5:I know it's set in a high school, right, but this guy is clearly getting smashed. He's like 18 oh yeah I mean, he's in a bar, he's playing pool. It's also a biker bar like this is a rough crowd and when that dude with the scooter walks in and these guys walk in, they're getting looks and they just zoom past that.
Speaker 4:They didn't spend any time in there no, but it's clearly a like when he's, he's parking his bike and he wiggles in, and then one guy goes, nice bike man.
Speaker 5:He goes, you think, and he just like shakes his head and rides off um, but they share with him.
Speaker 4:That cat is really into pretty guys who don't? Smoke and right that don't smoke, and they kind of like look at him and he's like are you saying I'm not a pretty guy and they're like no, no, no, no and move on real quick. They also mentioned that she likes thai food and indie music and she's going to be going to see her favorite band at Club Skunk and her favorite band is Letters to Cleo.
Speaker 5:Is that a real?
Speaker 4:band yeah.
Speaker 5:Oh, I didn't know this. It's the band that plays.
Speaker 4:They are at Club Skunk, and then they come to the prom and then they're at the very end oh yeah, I didn't know they were a real band, yeah okay, all the bands in the movie are real
Speaker 5:and the actual artists are so the bare naked ladies real?
Speaker 4:but they're clothed, yes, okay so patrick follows cat to club skunk and does he follow her or is he just like?
Speaker 5:well, I mean he he goes because she's going. He doesn't like follow.
Speaker 4:Okay, I'm sorry, he know, he knows she's going there we call that stalking. Yeah, and he just so tech happens to be there and he sees her dancing with her friend and he goes up to the bar. Apparently knows yes, and apparently knows somebody I don't know.
Speaker 5:This is the first moment in the movie, though, where she comes off as like pretty hot, though, when she's dancing with her friends and I believe that happened when she was introduced, okay.
Speaker 3:Erica, and I have nothing to say on this topic, anyways.
Speaker 5:I thought this is where she oh wait, we're going to keep moving along, continue. I thought this is where you start to see her as not so much of a shrew.
Speaker 4:She's letting her hair down, yeah.
Speaker 5:Right, she's letting loose as to who she really is underneath that.
Speaker 2:She's smiling.
Speaker 4:Exterior. She's engaging, she's in her happy place, um. But he goes over to the bar and I just noticed like he shakes the bartender's hand, like he knows this guy so clearly he's been there before too.
Speaker 4:I didn't pick up on that, yeah so cat comes over to get some water and she notices patrick. He plays it cool and acts like he isn't there to see her at all. And he's just there to see the band and he just starts naming a bunch of bands that he really likes that just happen to be her favorite bands which were told to him by the other exactly yeah and um. Then he asks her to come to bogey's party. Also, the kid's name is bogey which one bogey the guy that's.
Speaker 4:That's whose house they're having the party at. His name is bogey lowenstein good name. That's a name with an mba right there her to go to the party with him, and she doesn't give him a straight answer and just kind of walks away but she wants to go she does, she doesn't, she doesn't say no right um, so back at their house can I interject real quick.
Speaker 5:Yes, absolutely, I think this is the. Maybe it's before this, but I think this is where he starts to really like her.
Speaker 5:Is at that club yeah, because he sees her just being like in her element yeah, and I think I think it goes both ways okay, but I do think before the club he was only doing this for the money and maybe for the challenge of trying to get a date with this girl, and I think at the club now he's fully invested in that he likes this girl yeah and now it's no more about the money, he just wants to go out with her so, back at their house, bianca and chastity are trying to sneak out and I I'm just going to say worst attempt ever.
Speaker 4:They're literally trying to sneak out the front door, as their dad is sitting in the room right there.
Speaker 5:Yeah, and he's like where are you, harlotons, going?
Speaker 4:That house there's a million windows a million doors.
Speaker 5:That's what he said. Should I use the window?
Speaker 4:Exactly.
Speaker 5:Why are you going out the front door? None of that made sense to me. It did not it clearly they weren't really trying to sneak out I didn't understand that I just wrote.
Speaker 4:Could you be any more obvious?
Speaker 2:it kind of felt like I don't know if the timing lines up, but I kind of felt like that dad was gonna say what are you wearing?
Speaker 4:oh, I could have seen that too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that just felt like because of the calvin klein, like you know like yeah it just felt like that scene, like you copied that scene.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and she starts begging to go and he's you know, his rule is that she can't go if cat doesn't go. So she's begging cat to go to this party and finally she agrees which the dad is not expecting to happen. So that's when Bianca oh, john's going to miss this. Bianca has to wear the pregnancy belly.
Speaker 4:He says all right do a lap with the pregnancy belly, not all night, but just around the house a couple times, so that she can understand the full weight of her decisions. So when Kat opens the front door, patrick's waiting for her and he just asks who knocked up your sister? So we flashed to bogey lowenstein's house. And this is when he's having a little. Um, it's like a cigar and whiskey party, I guess. And somebody rings the bell and he asks who's here with the brie? And he opens it and people just barge in. And that was it. And they just they bring everything. And when Kat arrives, joey just starts antagonizing her Until he notices a fight breaking out where he gets really excited and has a super high pitch voice oh yeah, bye, moves over there and they just completely take out the entire back door well when he says can you guys take it outside?
Speaker 1:and then just go right through the door and he goes thank you, I just want that name.
Speaker 2:Let me talk about that.
Speaker 4:Bogey Lowenstein. What do you think that's short?
Speaker 1:for I don't know, bogert.
Speaker 5:Bogerson. Do you think it's short?
Speaker 4:Bogey.
Speaker 5:I can see it being Bogert I can't booger booger.
Speaker 4:So cameron approaches bianca. She seems a little embarrassed to see him and then ditches him for joey but quickly gets extremely bored by joey as he's talking about himself and his modeling and showing her different poses that he has for everything how about there's a?
Speaker 5:I don't know if this is where we're at right this second, but when he shows, when he shows her two different face shots and all the only difference between the two is that one's in a black shirt and one's in a white shirt.
Speaker 4:It probably was photoshopped.
Speaker 5:Exact pose. He's like. Which one do you like better?
Speaker 4:It's like so many red flags before this moment.
Speaker 5:Hasn't everyone gone to high school with a guy like that though?
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 5:Super handsome. Like I don't know. I feel like we all know that guy. That was just super douchey. Who you were? No, not me, like I don't know, like I feel like we all know that guy. So I was just a super douchey, yeah, you were no, not me I thought that's what you said. I was just super douchey. He's like I was that guy you're like no, I wasn't, I was a super handsome guy.
Speaker 4:Yeah, not the douchey guy oh, this is our favorite part. They flash to cat has been ever since. Joey was like antagonizing her and really getting her upset. She's been taking shots all night. And now she pulls off her jacket and she is dancing on the table.
Speaker 5:I want to give a fact about that scene, ryan's favorite part. It was my favorite part.
Speaker 4:Our fact might be the same, so I'll let you go first.
Speaker 5:You sure?
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, everybody knows this fact.
Speaker 5:Then tell me the fact. All right, I'm going to tell you. What I know is that they wanted to hire a choreographer for the scene and they said this is such an important scene, we need to get you a choreographer. And she said I can dance and insist it. And then, like, I think what I loved about that is that it showed that the actress and the role she was playing is where it's almost like there's a similarity there, the confidence to be able to say no, I got this.
Speaker 4:And then she goes and pulls it off with that dance scene actually caught the eye of director Thomas Carter, who cast her in the 2001 film Save the Last Dance, and it was because of this dance scene that he he saw her do cast her like immediately. So she got her next role from from that tabletop dance scene. She quickly hits her head on the chandelier and is like completely knocked out and Patrick catches her.
Speaker 5:I think this is also where we realize that the Patrick is a good guy. A gentleman A gentleman, exactly Because she's just like doing shots after shots, and he's like, are you sure you want to do that? And she's like, isn't this what we do? Am I not just supposed to be like everyone else and get smashed? And then, um this?
Speaker 2:is where I think that's the scene progresses.
Speaker 4:You see more of that yeah, yeah, um, and we do see as he's taking, trying to take cat out of the house. Cameron approaches him and, um, he's like the plan is the plan's off. Bianca wants Joey, she doesn't want me, and he just, even though he's like dealing with Kat, he encourages Cameron not to give up on her and then he takes Kat over to the swings, which I just can't think of, something I would not want to do more while being drunk.
Speaker 2:That sounds great.
Speaker 4:She great landed on her ass too but they're on the swings and talking and she's kind of like falling asleep and he's trying to keep her awake and the whole time I'm like, okay, I think it's time to go to the hospital, like she bashed her head. But then she just throws up like all over the ground and they realize that like he's like, okay, I'm gonna drive your car home. The whole time I'm thinking they like literally just left bianca she was like they all, they all went together and they, just she was that's her sister and they just left her there and she's just like waiting and she like doesn't have a ride before we get to that part.
Speaker 2:Do you think she it was planned for her to slip and fall on the swing, or she just missed it.
Speaker 4:Oh, I don't know. I didn't see anything about that being I feel like she missed it yeah, maybe and just went with it because it was a drunk scene.
Speaker 4:Bianca comes up with an excuse not to leave with Joey, as he offers her a ride. But Chastity says she doesn't have a curfew, so she goes with him. So Bianca ends up asking Cameron for a ride. So as Patrick drives Kat home, I will just say that as they get to her house she is all of a sudden completely sober I wish it worked that way. They all are cat leans in to kiss him and he leans away another gentlemanly?
Speaker 4:yeah, definitely like, yeah, I was like, yeah, it's smashed and that feels awful and I wish like he did the right thing. I wish he just like said something to her took advantage of her.
Speaker 5:No no, what was the right thing? I'm confused.
Speaker 4:I said, said something to her like oh, I do really like you, but I don't want to do this while you're drunk.
Speaker 2:Right, I think that's, and she got really upset about it Exactly, she felt completely yeah.
Speaker 5:Like and she got really upset about it Exactly, she felt completely dismissed, but he didn't realize how sober she was at that point.
Speaker 4:Because obviously it takes like five minutes to sober up Right right, she was totally sober by then. So as Cameron drives Bianca home, they pull up to her house and he calls her out and he tells her how selfish she's being and she confesses.
Speaker 5:I love that about him. I did really like that too.
Speaker 4:They pull up to her house and he calls her out and he tells her how selfish she's being and she confessed I love that, I did really like that too. And she confesses that she yeah, she's like you're right. And then she kisses him so like completely opposite of what was happening in the other car, and then she leaves and he just says and I'm back in the game. That should have been a quote on I'm back in the game. That should have been a quote on there.
Speaker 5:Back in the game.
Speaker 4:We're flipping. Now we're back at school and everyone's harassing Kat about dancing at the party and Kat's teacher actually kicks her out of class when she's quiet and doesn't argue with any of his comments. I think he's completely freaked out by her. Like change in attitude here. So now Michael is now hitting on Kat's friend, which I felt kind of came out of like absolutely nowhere, and he's kind of trying to get feelers out to like how she feels about Patrick, but like he's also clearly really into her too.
Speaker 4:And so now Joey's asking Bianca to prom and he lets her know that Kat will be going to prom. He's got this all figured out and he gives money to Patrick to take her to prom. So he's like got it covered for like the tuxes and everything else, um, and he refuses 200200, but he'll take $300. So it's almost like the first time Joey offers him $200, he's being the nice guy, but once he hit $300, he kind of couldn't resist. But Patrick tries to get the courage to talk to Kat and he follows her for a few stores as she's running some errands and then he finally talks to her at the bookstore. Now Cameron is telling Patrick that he's really um, embarrassed um, and suggests um that they need to like even the score.
Speaker 5:This is okay. So this is a big moment in the movie.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so he really he thinks that he needs to do something for her, so that like embarrass himself embarrass himself exactly so that it does even the score. So you're gonna play it. This is actually heath ledger singing really yeah interesting um, and this scene was totally inspired by a lot of john hughes like 80s movies yeah, the dance, the walk, the run across the yeah, it was all yeah, and it like reminded me of, like, what's the movie with john q?
Speaker 2:so say anything where he's got the boom backs and it's just like confessing you can hear his accent and the smiles on her face at this point says it all oh, he's got the whole marching band this might have been one of my most favorite parts of the movie.
Speaker 5:Yeah well, this is the the best part of the movie, right here.
Speaker 2:You can sing into the microphone.
Speaker 4:I'm not singing next to Heath Ledger.
Speaker 2:It's just not going to compare. Consider it a duet. I love when he's getting chased, but he's still singing at the end of this.
Speaker 5:It's the high stepping across the beaches what exactly is here's security. Security is coming up to him right now. I think he's at the 10, the 5 so he pays the guy to play this hold on, hold on hold on, so he pays the guy to play this.
Speaker 3:Hold on, hold on, hold on Look there it is.
Speaker 5:Nobody can see it, John, but you. The high stepping makes it.
Speaker 1:All right by this point, I love it.
Speaker 2:Play by play.
Speaker 5:She's in love at this point.
Speaker 2:He's at the 50, the 40, the 30.
Speaker 5:Look at the transition from this character though. See it, only you can you keep calling us to look All right, but if you were watching the movie, you would know that a transition has fully taken place. They are in love and she is no longer a shrew. At this point. She is a different person now, because she's accepted the fact that she's totally embarrassed. He's totally embarrassing himself, yeah, but she seems absolutely all right.
Speaker 4:So he gets detention and cat breaks in and is trying to distract the the the uh detention teacher happens to be her soccer coach I guess uh-huh um. So she's trying to distract him and sneak Patrick out the window and she's talking to him about soccer strategies.
Speaker 2:This is the part.
Speaker 4:We'll fake left and then go right, but how do we make them look left? And then she just flashes her teacher.
Speaker 5:Flashes him Okay.
Speaker 4:And then she gets detention, I'm assuming.
Speaker 2:No, I'm assuming nothing. Trueashes him Okay, and then she gets detention. I'm assuming no, I'm assuming nothing. True fact of the movie it was a real flash, really. No, I have no clue, I'm just assuming it was real for the effect. No, I mean, I'm sure everything was covered.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't think so either.
Speaker 4:And then they go paddle boating.
Speaker 5:How do you know about pasties?
Speaker 2:Oh, previous life, All right yeah.
Speaker 5:And they go sailing.
Speaker 4:They go paddle boating.
Speaker 5:Oh, that's right. That's actually was put on as like a what would you call it, Like a mistake in the movie, because they're moving but nothing around them is when they're paddle boating.
Speaker 3:I didn't notice that yeah, oh, I don't know they're just fake yeah, it's like the biggest moment.
Speaker 4:It stinks huh um, but she shares that she acts the way she does so that she can never be disappointed. And and Patrick says then you messed up because you never disappointed me. Aww. Then they go paintballing. It was a pretty good date.
Speaker 2:But it was like balloons.
Speaker 5:It was pretty cool.
Speaker 4:Yeah, they were throwing paint balloons at each other.
Speaker 2:They were throwing paint balloons. I thought that was really cool. I would do that over paintball yeah because then it doesn't hurt.
Speaker 4:And then they have their first kiss, as they're like rolling around in the cafe Was that you.
Speaker 2:That was good sound effects. Yeah, it was the first kiss. Probably not what I sound of.
Speaker 4:So this was actually Julia Stiles' first on-screen kiss, really.
Speaker 5:What is she in this movie About? 17?, 18?, she was born, oh I can't do that math, I forget.
Speaker 2:She wasn't too far off from what we would have been. What have been what the?
Speaker 1:fuck, does that even mean? I don't know what the hell you're talking about.
Speaker 5:What have been? She's close to our age now. You mean, yeah, she's like 43 now I don't know what the hell you're talking about.
Speaker 2:She's close to our age now you mean, yeah, she's like 43 now.
Speaker 5:Close to your age.
Speaker 2:She's older than me. She's younger than me. She's 43. I think she's 43.
Speaker 5:All right, why didn't you?
Speaker 4:say, would have been.
Speaker 1:Well in 99, we would have been 20.
Speaker 2:At that time we would have been Okay, okay, gotcha. We would have been.
Speaker 3:I would have been 20 years old in 1999. Yeah, I mean, like I was.
Speaker 2:I think she was like 17 or 18.
Speaker 4:So this is cute. This is where they're going back and forth and they're talking about the different rumors that have been said about them and which ones are true and which ones are false. So then she asks him to tell her something that's true and he says I hate peas. I hate peas I hate peas, I hate peas.
Speaker 5:Now, this is the part where they're on the boat. But we're past that now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're past that we're like way in the jungle at this point. Oh good, did the director get blown up?
Speaker 1:Headshot. Blood's blooming. There's blood everywhere.
Speaker 4:So then again, Patrick asks Kat to go to prom and she refuses. And then she starts getting suspicious of, like what his motives are what drove.
Speaker 2:That though there was, I didn't.
Speaker 3:That's a great question I just didn't pick up on that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like did she hear her?
Speaker 4:sister say something yeah I don't know, I think well I think later on when you find out about her relationship with like joey, like I think, maybe it just kind of like yeah, I do think that's a hole in the movie, that, yeah well, I think we find out about it later when she has her talk with her sister well, we know that part yeah yeah, but at that time they just yeah said it moved on right right wait
Speaker 4:what um? And then I like this part we flashed to bianca and cameron with their little french tutor session and bianca's just speaking like fluent French so and Cameron has absolutely no idea what she's saying and she's like why haven't you asked me to go to prom with you? And she's really mad. And he's just like saying that in French yes, and she, he's just like looking through the book trying to figure out what she's saying and then she just like, has all the holes in it.
Speaker 5:So how the frick did she learn french?
Speaker 2:she she actually takes french class um, and then I think she was trying to get with him since the beginning no, I don't think that's absolutely wrong existed, but she loved
Speaker 4:the model guy in the beginning yeah, um. So then then we see michael um, he's putting a dress in mandela, which is cat's best friend, her locker to ask her to prom. This kind of seemed like like out of the.
Speaker 5:This relationship was very like thrown together yes, yes like they had to give someone to this guy yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then I think that relationship was budding on the side, but they were useless characters, Right? So then it just was like okay, we'll give you a date so you can be there too.
Speaker 4:My question I wrote in my notes how did he get in her locker? Like they always show that on movies where people are like putting things in people's lockers.
Speaker 2:But how do you get it?
Speaker 4:How do you get? I could barely remember my own combination, let alone like other people's combinations, like they picked the lock.
Speaker 5:They got in somehow. Who?
Speaker 2:knows, they put a stethoscope and they turned it until they heard the click Movie magic.
Speaker 4:All right. So Bianca and her father are back at the house and they're fighting about prom. She really wants to go and he he doesn't want her to be like the dawson's river. Kids is what he says who are they, dawson's? Creek is what he's talking about.
Speaker 5:That was a show. I don't I know the show but I never watched it.
Speaker 4:But he Dawson's River, so he doesn't know that much about it.
Speaker 5:Do they all get pregnant on that show? I don't think.
Speaker 4:Do they? I never watched it, but I didn't think they did.
Speaker 5:Because that seems to be his biggest fear is that his daughters will get pregnant.
Speaker 4:Right, well, I mean, I guess that goes along with his job.
Speaker 2:That's kind of how that goes.
Speaker 4:So Kat comes into Bianca's room and she's watching the real world at the time.
Speaker 2:Which I thought was hilarious.
Speaker 4:Real world Seattle, which actually they were filming in Washington, because that's where the school was too. Interesting, okay, and Kat starts talking to her about how she actually went out with joey when they. I love how she says that. She says we went out in ninth for a month.
Speaker 5:By the way, I thought she said more than they went out. I thought they like she.
Speaker 4:She says that later, but that's how she. She phrases that we went out in ninth for a month, um, and then she confesses to her that they actually slept together and that, um, this was right after their mom had left um and everyone. She confesses to her that they actually slept together and that, um, this was right after their mom had left um and everyone was doing it. So she did it, um, and then afterwards she told him that she didn't want to do it anymore and he dumped her because of that you have a feeling that that's the only person she slept with right yes she felt dirty after that.
Speaker 4:And she promised she would never. At that point she promised she would never do anything, ever again, just because everybody else was doing it.
Speaker 5:Good, and it's probably because her mom left a lot of trauma.
Speaker 4:Yeah. Just going through a lot. Also, notice Bianca's room. Those butterflies that I was talking about are literally everywhere. She has them like framed all over her walls.
Speaker 5:I didn't notice this.
Speaker 4:I didn't notice. So Kat and Bianca are arguing, because Kat thought that she was trying to protect her sister, but Bianca felt that she was more like sheltering her and never letting her experience anything.
Speaker 5:Can I ask you a quick question? In your notes, some of them are like you have red and black and I want to know what.
Speaker 4:So black is a summary.
Speaker 5:Okay, what's the red?
Speaker 4:Red are like the facts that I found out about it. And blue are my thoughts.
Speaker 5:And what's in the margin?
Speaker 4:You have notes in the margin, oh, those are the sections, because Ryan said he wanted to split it up into sections which I'm not sure that we did.
Speaker 1:We did not do that today, but then I broke it up.
Speaker 2:We'll do that next time We'll get better at this, okay.
Speaker 4:Okay, so now we're on to section eight, according to my notes, which is the last section to my notes, which is last section. We're doing good on time. So we're finally getting to the prom part. So kat decides that she will go to prom and you see her coming downstairs and bianca's gonna go too and their dad is like what is happening. And cameron comes to the door to pick up bianca and he threatens him before they're going to the prom. And so then we're at the prom and they have a full band at their prom.
Speaker 5:That goes to show how much money they have. Yeah exactly.
Speaker 4:We had a DJ, you had a band.
Speaker 1:We didn't have a band oh.
Speaker 3:I thought you said same for us.
Speaker 2:No save ferris.
Speaker 4:The band was save ferris, really oh, that's what the band was called I didn't know that that's why you kept sending us did you guys not watch the goddamn movie.
Speaker 2:Come on now, now.
Speaker 5:Save Ferris is from Ferris Bueller's Day Off. I have no idea. That's the reference.
Speaker 4:I picked up but remember he was sending us those things.
Speaker 2:No, I don't. There's two bands and they're the actual bands, Save Ferris. I'll pull it up for you.
Speaker 4:But when you sent those in our group chat.
Speaker 4:I thought you were randomly quoting were randomly like quoting, like ferris bueller's yeah, I blew right through that I was like I don't know what you're talking about you might need to leave us more breadcrumbs to your jokes oh, okay, something I picked up on too, when, when kat walks in and you see her like in her full gown and everything she is wearing pearls and I'm like, are those the mom's pearls? Maybe this is like a switch in how she's like, like you know her whole personality now, but yeah, you know what?
Speaker 5:I bet you? I bet you.
Speaker 4:There's a lot there that says she's she's like letting go of things and moving on I feel like the movie could have done more with the mom situation yeah, they.
Speaker 5:They didn't touch on that really at all, but they touched on it, just enough for you to say I wonder what happened to the mom.
Speaker 4:But then they never, they never tell you no, you never find out.
Speaker 5:I feel like the movie would have been better served had they.
Speaker 3:Was this the song in the movie?
Speaker 5:Is this it?
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 5:The way Ryan's dancing, dancing.
Speaker 2:It must be it it's a good song and he did look like austin powers right mm-hmm, right, you're digging the song. See you like it. It's not bad. Yeah, good song, very upbeat. I kind of feel like you didn't watch this part, though, because you didn't hear that song before.
Speaker 4:That's I guess they're walking in. But then, as they're dancing for a little bit, we find out that patrick got cat's favorite band Letters to Cleo to come play at the prom. What happened so literally he spent more than what Joey paid him on different things for her. I think at this point.
Speaker 5:What is the name of the song that Letters to Cleo plays? Do you know Anybody?
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 4:I'll have to you know, Anybody no. Ferris Jesus Christ, ferris Bueller.
Speaker 1:Did I say Ferris, I didn't say Bueller Ferris.
Speaker 2:Ferris. He paid more than $300 for these guys.
Speaker 5:Apparently he has money and a car.
Speaker 2:There's just a lot of love going on at this point yes that is perfect, and that is not getting cut out. Who was that? Who was that? No, was that you? Yeah, oh, I thought it was you. No, I was totally lip syncing. Oh, it's staying in there. All right, there we go okay, so we are.
Speaker 4:We're in the bathroom now. Bianca is meeting chastity and she is there with Joey and she tells Bianca that Joey never really liked her. I'm just like. I thought these two were like best friends, I know.
Speaker 5:Wait, who were the?
Speaker 4:best friends Chastity and Bianca.
Speaker 5:Who's Chastity?
Speaker 4:It's high school friends, gabrielle Union, I had real friends in high school who I'm still friends with today, and we would have never treated each other like that anyway, good for you well, thanks, love you girls anyway, jules Sterling loves you.
Speaker 5:Do they know about this podcast yet? No, don't tell them everything apparently they're not that good of friends so joey confronts patrick on the dance floor about the whole plan.
Speaker 4:He was supposed to, you know, seduce cat so he could get to bianca and cat. Here is the entire plan. Guys, I'm on my last page.
Speaker 1:They could have done better at that scene I feel like because that's so typical of every movie.
Speaker 2:It's like the one person's over the shoulder. Here's the whole plot.
Speaker 4:How would you have done it better, ryan? I don't know. I mean honestly that's.
Speaker 2:That's why they get paid a lot of money.
Speaker 5:I mean that's why this is like it's a good movie, it's a cute movie.
Speaker 4:I mean it's good because oh, the real feelings are coming out now.
Speaker 5:Well, I mean it is. It's a pretty depleted plot. It's too cookie cutter to be great. The acting is good, some of the lines are good, but overall there's a little too much. It's just too formulaic to be.
Speaker 2:For the 90 minutes of the show, I would say 60 minutes of it.
Speaker 5:solid, the movie, yeah, or our show.
Speaker 1:No, we're about like 10 minutes of solid Good point, good point, good point, good point.
Speaker 4:All right, let's finish up the last scene here. So Joey confronts Cameron and punches him after insulting Bianca, and then Bianca punches Joey in the face and she's I love this, I love this line that's for making my date bleed Another punch. That's for my. My date bleed Another punch. That's for my sister. And then she knees him in the groin and that's for me. This was like Bianca did this, yeah.
Speaker 5:You don't remember this part.
Speaker 4:This is like my favorite part.
Speaker 2:You go, girl. She kicked his ass. Good for him. They have black eyes.
Speaker 4:Good for her. That's what I meant. So our very last scene. We're back at the house and kat is um, telling her dad about how bianca beat a guy up and he shares that he's impressed and he shares that, uh, it's hard to see his kids grow up and not need them anymore, um, and that kat hasn't really needed him for a long time, but Bianca still lets him, lets him help out sometimes and he starts sharing about how he can't wait to come up and see her at Sarah Lawrence and she gets really excited and realizes that she's going to be able to go. So back at school. Joey has a black eye.
Speaker 2:Yeah, joey, joey's a little bit of got his ass kicked.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I mean right up in the beginning of the movie, joey makes his comments, but then, you know, cat could fuck him up at any moment clearly bianca as well exactly anybody that's why I kind of love that it was her yeah, yeah, but
Speaker 4:we're in um cat's english class and she volunteers to read her poem first. Um, and this was actually filmed in one take and I actually I looked this up after I watched it. But while watching it I kind of noticed that there was one part where she stumbled over like a word and I was kind of wondering if that was like so they like kept that in it. I think probably to like keep it like supernatural sounding can I pull this up?
Speaker 5:yep, yeah and the tears were real yeah, really he said, lord, here we go Okay okay, how do we talk? Over that. Let's, let's just give it a minute so we can all gather ourselves what do you say to that?
Speaker 2:that's really nice.
Speaker 5:You're just gonna cry look, this is all you have to say right there. Look at heath ledger's face. He's, he's an owner. Yeah, you okay. Do you need a?
Speaker 2:minute yeah you good, you say she's his lobster. Yeah, friends lobster?
Speaker 5:no, I don't know this stuff.
Speaker 4:So cat walks off to her car and she sees a guitar sitting in the driver's seat.
Speaker 5:He bought her one.
Speaker 4:And Patrick. Appears he used all the cash that Joey gave him to buy the guitar, although also the band. The band and buying off the guy so he could do the promposal and all those other things.
Speaker 5:This guy literally is in debt. I'm pretty sure he needs to sell another liver. He has so many livers he's sold three of them.
Speaker 4:So they kiss and then Kat tells him that he can't buy her a guitar. Every time he messes up and I like that she addressed the love bombing there. And then it's the credits and it's the very end of the movie and we see her favorite band Letters to Cleo and they're playing on the roof of the school. And the director actually did not get permission, but he just did it.
Speaker 5:Wait, he didn't get permission to do what.
Speaker 4:To have them play on the roof.
Speaker 5:I was going to say he had to get permission for them to show up and play, but he didn't get permission from the school For the roof shot the roof shot.
Speaker 4:You don't ask permission, you just ask for forgiveness. You had not seen this before.
Speaker 5:Never, no, no, okay. And I'll say I think it was fairly given about a seven. I think that's pretty fair for what the movie is.
Speaker 2:I'm not sure it's a classic.
Speaker 4:Well, it's listed as a cult classic Cult classic, cult classic.
Speaker 5:Cult's doing some lifting there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, cult classic. It's listed as a cult classic, but this is my type of movie so I liked it Out of 5, I'd go four, four and a half. Okay For the first, 69.
Speaker 4:All right, we need to stay on the same number scale. You're giving it a seven out of ten.
Speaker 1:You're giving it a four out of five.
Speaker 5:All right, I think out of ten I'm in. You know what I'll?
Speaker 2:go a little higher. That changes it for me.
Speaker 5:All right, I would go a little higher than 7. I'd say 7.5. That's about where I'm at, Just about an, almost just a hair under an 8. I would do that.
Speaker 2:I would do 7.5 out of 10. That changes because I have a 5, I go 4, 4.5. 10? 10's much higher.
Speaker 5:Well, wait, 10 is much higher than 5. Good point there. Thank you for helping us all out with that.
Speaker 2:Probably twice as high you know, actually, if you really wanted to measure that.
Speaker 1:See, this is where we start recording, Erica. What did you think?
Speaker 5:of this movie.
Speaker 3:I agree with this. It was good.
Speaker 5:So out of 10, give it a number, come on.
Speaker 3:I'd go with a seven.
Speaker 5:Okay, all right. And Caitlin, we know you think four and a half, right three I'd give it an eight, an eight all right, I think an eight is fair.
Speaker 4:I have good like I don't know like me and my friends would watch it like, so I have like a lot of memories associated with it as well I could see how it's rewatchable.
Speaker 5:It has enough scenes in it that like you could just put it on and say, go do the dishes but come back and watch it Like it's it's. It can be on in the background. It's a good background. I want you to want me. I need you to need me.
Speaker 1:I love you to love me. I'm begging you to pay me. I want you to want me. I need to shine like a diamond To be like that and want me. I'm a diamond To be like that and want me.