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just when you thought all podcasts have been made.

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One comes along that's riveting, kind of informative, often nonsensical, maybe even a little too long.

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Like really long.

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The Movie Club, which is what it sounds like, a podcast for people that love movies.

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This is where I thought I was going to lose you guys, to be honest.

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You mean the beginning?

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Yeah.

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Well, we were a couple... We're in this, and we see the ducks, but they're loons.

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The loons.

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The loons.

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And Ryan perks up.

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He's like, oh, my God.

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I think this is the movie I've been looking for since I was a kid.

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Are you kidding me?

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I think Ryan...

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Loved this movie.

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Am I wrong?

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You were like, I'm not going to tell you, but I think you loved this movie.

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I did.

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I did.

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And there was a movie that I saw.

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There was a movie that I saw.

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I liked it.

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I have thoughts.

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You want me to hit mute?

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I mean, I can mute them.

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No, it's fine.

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I want multiple views because that's what this is about.

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Exactly.

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I will say, so you guys obviously know I recommend this movie.

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Maybe our listening audience doesn't.

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They do now.

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They do now.

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But

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I love this movie.

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It's like one of my all-time favorites.

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I watched it when I was like 13 or 14 years old and just was like, this is amazing.

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This is exactly what I was looking for at that time.

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Yeah.

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And Ryan's been looking for it ever since.

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Until last night.

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Wow.

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All right.

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Let me explain.

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How?

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Okay.

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So there was a movie that I saw very, very long time ago.

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And it was in a setting of like a lake or a pond, something like that.

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And they were in canoes and doing this thing.

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What's it called?

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I don't know.

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I have no clue what it's called.

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Is it on Golden Pods?

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No, it wasn't.

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Is it possibly the same movie?

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No, it wasn't.

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But when it opened up and the loons were there and the trees were there,

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they had like that Bob Ross effect.

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It's the same movie.

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It's the movie.

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I think it's on Golden Pods.

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But I was like, this is it.

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He's like,

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look,

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I've been looking for a movie that opens with loons that stars Catherine Hepburn,

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Henry Fonda,

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and Jane Fonda.

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Is it on Golden Pond?

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Oh my God, they made a second one.

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Oh my God, this is crazy.

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What are the odds?

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yeah well it wasn't it but for a moment in time i felt like it was it and i was

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excited but it was enough to get me interested good good and you're still looking

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for that movie i'm still looking i thought it was i don't think i'll ever find i

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think it was an hbo movie and i just remember there were several times last night

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that you were like oh yeah this is it

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yeah there was there was and then you were like nudging you're like this is an

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important part you better pay attention because i knew the movie like i knew not

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you though oh my god john you found his like

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I knew the movie.

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Okay, so wait, so wait.

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We've got rom-coms, Christmas movies, anything that features Anna Kendrick and Julia Stiles.

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Hell yeah.

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And on Golden Pops.

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These are the movies that Ryan.

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That's Ryan's forte.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Well, you know, we all gotta love sometimes.

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Well, anyway.

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Will you get us off this topic and talk?

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What?

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Enough about me.

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All right.

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I've been a fan of this movie for probably 30 years.

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We know it was released in 1981.

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It's based on a play by Ernest Thompson, and that was written in 1979.

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So what's interesting is the play was only a couple years old before Jane Fonda bought the movie rights.

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She did.

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Jane Fonda buys the movie rights because she goes to this play.

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She's blown away.

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The chemistry between the father and the daughter so resemble her own relationship with Henry Fonda.

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She immediately wants to buy the rights because she wants him to act in this film.

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She ends up playing the daughter.

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There's so much more going on than...

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than just this movie.

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The backstory, I think, is just as awesome as the movie itself.

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I don't think you need to know all that to appreciate this movie.

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But it was interesting to learn about that.

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I feel like that added an extra layer.

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It really does.

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If I didn't know, don't get used to the compliments.

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Yeah.

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So let's just start there.

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Hold on.

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But if you didn't prep.

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Take it in.

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Take it in.

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Yeah, take it in.

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There you go.

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If you didn't prep me with the relationship between the two of them,

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if I wasn't ready for that,

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I would have been bored.

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But because I knew that dynamic was there, I was looking for it.

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Interesting.

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I agree.

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That's the most you're going to get compliments out of me.

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Oh, good.

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This is where I was like, oh, there's a loon.

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I was like, you guys won't make it.

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A loon.

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It's the movie.

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Erica, this is it.

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Norman, Norman, come outside.

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The loons are welcoming us.

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The loons are welcoming us.

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What are you talking about?

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I don't fucking hear any loons.

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Christ's sake.

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That's why I think you lost a goddamn mile here.

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This reminded me so much of my grandparents, but like reverse.

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Like my grandmother was Norman and my grandfather was Ethel.

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Wow.

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Tell us more about your grandmother.

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Well, she was Norm.

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Norman, why don't you go pick some strawberries?

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Is she a poop?

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I tried.

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I tried.

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I got lost.

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I fucking shit my pants.

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Came back.

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No strawberries.

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God damn it.

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This is, you know, it's funny.

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The dynamic, number one.

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But...

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I think, and I said this earlier, I think everybody can relate to one of these three characters.

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Maybe not individually, but personally relate or identify, as we said.

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But someone in your family is one of these three people.

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Oh, there's no question.

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It's always easy to connect with this movie, which is why I like it.

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I'm Norman all day long, guys.

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No shit.

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I am.

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You could probably be Ethel and Norman.

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I think I could pull that off.

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I mean, I'm Norman at home.

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My kids are like, Daddy, I hurt myself.

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I'm like, what the fuck do you want from me?

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God damn you.

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And Melissa's like, the looms!

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The looms!

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Do you hear them in the distance?

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So, the cast.

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You got Catherine Hepburn, plays Ethel.

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Henry Fonda, Norman.

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Jane Fonda,

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Henry's daughter,

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and Dabney Coleman,

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which is interesting because Dabney Coleman,

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this was like his first serious role.

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He played some other minor roles before this.

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And Doug McKeon,

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they're the only couple I wrote down because this is clearly a very...

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Those are literally the ones I wrote down too.

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I think they're the only characters.

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Yeah, I mean, besides the mailman, Charlie.

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Charlie.

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The mailman's significant in this movie.

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He really is, but I didn't write him down.

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But his want for Jane Fonda, boy, that's pretty clear.

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He's like, boy, there she is.

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I do enjoy his little repartee with... Norman.

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Yes.

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No, no, no, with Dabney Coleman's character when he's like half on the boat and half on the dock.

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What do you suppose a man does in this situation?

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You just fall in love.

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You just fall in love.

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what's interesting I found is Doug McKeon who I thought so here's this young kid

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actor and he's acting with giants Catherine Hepburn Henry Fonda are giants in the

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industry and here's this kid who's holding his own

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if you really think about it like that's like just he could have ruined the movie

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because you're acting against against you know with these people who are just far

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superior and that that one kid could have just screwed this movie up so bad

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and yet he didn't only not screw the movie up, I really felt he was on their level.

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He was definitely on their level,

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and I think the relationship they built between Norman and him,

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father-son,

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helped him along the way.

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I mean, I don't know what he did before, but I think that made it comfortable for him.

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I wonder if they did anything to like I didn't see anything about it,

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but like if they did anything to like just like get to know each other before they

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were actually filming to probably live together for six months.

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He's got it.

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He's got a career ahead of him.

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What has he done since?

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This movie came out 43 years ago.

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And he hasn't done anything since?

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I feel like I've seen this.

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I feel like he's about to.

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He's coming into his own.

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He is on the cusp of greatness, guys.

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I looked him up and the latest picture I saw, I thought he looked like the guy from The Blacklist.

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I was like, oh, no way.

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But it's not him.

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What is his name again?

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He looks like the guy from The Blacklist.

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Doug McKeon.

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I will say this.

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Erica woke up long enough to look that up, which I'm really impressed with.

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I did.

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I did just do that.

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I slept through the whole freaking movie, but then when I woke up, I was like, who is that guy?

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He looks like a guy from the Blacklist.

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Let me write that down.

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Here's the thing that I found most confounding, though, right?

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And I went down a rabbit hole of backstory stuff on this movie like crazy.

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I found all kinds of Jane Fonda interviews.

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Didn't you have a crush on Jane Fonda?

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No, that was Martha Stewart.

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It actually was Jane Fonda.

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If we're trying to be accurate here.

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Yeah, I know, but that's only when I found that James Fonda didn't exist.

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He legit has had zero.

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Nothing.

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It looks like Shameless, Animal Kingdom, I Spit on Your Grave, Masters of Sex.

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Shameless, though.

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Ray Donovan.

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Ray Donovan, I love.

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He must have been a minor character.

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I love Ray Donovan.

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Yeah, he was on like one episode of each of these.

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I want to know more about this guy.

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Let's talk about Jane Fonda.

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Did you ever see her workout videos?

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Of course.

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But that's how I know her.

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This is where he lusted for Fonda.

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Me?

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Over the workout videos.

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Me?

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Yeah.

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No, I never did.

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Can I just say, so like Jane Fonda, I've only seen her in things where she was like older.

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I've never seen her this young before.

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She's a knockout.

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She is.

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She's gorgeous.

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I mean, she's gorgeous.

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She's gorgeous now.

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I don't know if you guys have seen this, but her recent show on Netflix, Grace and Frankie.

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It's like, I love that show.

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It just ended, but it's about, it's about her and this other woman.

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They're married to these two lawyers and they're like,

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I mean,

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they're like in their seventies and they're all sitting down there.

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Their husbands are partners at this firm.

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It's such a good show, but she looks amazing.

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Amazing in that one, too.

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I don't know if you know this,

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but Jane Fonda has a documentary on HBO right now,

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and it's called Five Acts,

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and you can find out a lot more about her.

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Oh, okay.

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Yeah.

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I mean,

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she just won,

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I don't know if it was at the Oscars or the Emmys or something,

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she just won like a Lifetime Achievement Award.

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She's incredible.

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Regarding Katharine Hepburn,

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who plays Ethel,

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here's something I researched and I found to be very interesting about Katharine Hepburn.

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Because most of our focus is probably going to be on Henry Fonda,

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who we know was very frail when the movie was filmed.

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But by the 80s, Hepburn had developed a noticeable tremor, giving her a permanently shaking head.

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Right.

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You know what I noticed The first scene Yes I said that to you There were a couple

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There were a couple times When I noticed it I didn't know Yeah If it was like Part

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of it Holy shit I never actually I don't remember seeing it In the movie No I I

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picked up on that I'm not gonna I don't wanna pat my own back But

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What did I say the moment she came on?

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He was like, oh, pay attention to that.

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There's a couple times.

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What did you say?

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Even though it's natural.

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No, actually, at the end, too, when she's holding him, like when he falls down.

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It just goes hand in hand with the entire theme of the show.

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I noticed it, but I didn't know if it was an acting choice.

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I thought it was an acting choice.

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She didn't work for two years, saying in a television interview, I've had my day.

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Let the kids scramble and sweat it out.

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During this period,

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she saw the Broadway production of On Golden Pond and was impressed by its

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depiction of an elderly married couple coping with the difficulties of old age.

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we know Jane found the purchase the screen rights for her father and Hepburn sought

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out to play opposite him Ethel

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I read that that was the first time her and Henry Fonda ever met.

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Yep.

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Yeah.

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I also read that she showed up to set like the first day with a hat.

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I've read this too.

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I love this.

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Go ahead.

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Tell us.

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But I love the story.

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So she shows up with this hat and the hat that she gives him says, here's his hat.

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It's the hat that he wears the whole freaking movie.

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But it was her husband.

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It's her husband's hat.

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It was her husband's hat.

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I guess I never read it.

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From her closet.

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It was from her closet.

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Yeah.

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Oh, my God.

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And he was like, so honored.

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Like, I reading this, I was like, just so it was amazing.

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Like,

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I mean,

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these two incredible actors meeting for the first time,

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and he was just like,

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so taken aback that she gave him this.

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The other piece to that,

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which I don't know much about her other than just researching this,

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but she grew up in Connecticut on the water.

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The setting of the lake is her family.

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All of that together, she wanted to be part of that.

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Are we at the jungle yet?

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No.

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I want to ask that question.

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Are we at the jungle yet?

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No.

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That's like our new catchphrase.

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That's right.

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So then we have Henry Fonda.

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Henry... Norman is like... Oh, Norman is 79 years old.

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Pushing 80 when the movie opens because it opens with his... His birthday.

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80th birthday is fast approaching.

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And that was his for real birthday too?

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In real life?

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Well, he's also... I mean, he's in his 80s.

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I don't know exactly what his... I don't know what his...

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during the movie but he's clearly in his 80s all right here's what I like in the

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beginning he makes a reference because as they open the house up he makes a

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reference to this puppet and the puppet diving off the board the puppet he says all

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right he fell off the thing and he was

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You're doing a really good Norman impression.

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Thank you.

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I feel like you might have practiced this.

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The deep Norman voice.

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Let me hear your Norman.

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I could probably do an Ethel.

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I pulled it out.

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I want to hear it, Erica.

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Show us.

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Come on.

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Tell us we're all poops.

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Or you see all the lorns.

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The old poop.

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The old poop.

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Come on, Norman.

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You're fucking his empty poop.

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I swear she was saying boob the entire time.

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I thought the same thing.

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We both thought that.

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Literally, we were talking about this.

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I have this in my notes.

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I was like, poop slash boob.

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But it makes sense because he,

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throughout the entire movie,

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was just trying to get in her pants the entire movie.

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Yeah.

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And so it made sense that she was playing back with him.

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Right.

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But if you say it was poop, it was boob.

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No, but she said it a lot of times.

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So I had the question, and then I heard it a lot.

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And then I was like, okay.

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not a question anymore i don't have it's poop so i don't have the exact scene but

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when they move in um the puppet that was sitting above the fireplace was found on

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the floor you remember this no

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Okay, I don't mean a puppet.

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It was like a doll.

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So there's a doll that Ethel says was my first love.

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I don't remember this part.

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Okay, I've seen the movie 30 times.

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Oh, yes, yes.

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I did see that part.

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Okay.

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And in any event,

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he starts using some diving phrase,

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like,

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we're in a puppet,

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just decided to do it,

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you know,

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whatever,

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off the top of my head.

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What's interesting is diving ends up being kind of a big theme in this movie,

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and it starts in the beginning when they talk about the puppet.

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Now, if I can find a scene, I'll... Do you want me to pull it up for you guys?

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Yes, I would appreciate that.

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Give me a second, because they walk in, and she finds the thing on the floor.

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Yeah, and she's all like, oh, that's my first love.

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And then he puts it back up there.

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Hold on one second.

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You ready?

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Lesbians!

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They're a nice middle-aged couple, just like us.

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If they're just like us, they're not middle-aged.

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Of course they are.

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Middle-aged means the middle, Ethel, middle of life.

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People don't live to be 150.

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Well, we're at the far edge of middle age, that's all.

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We're not, you know.

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We're not middle-aged.

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You're old and I'm ancient.

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Oh, poo.

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You're in your 70s and I'm in my 60s.

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Just barely on both counts.

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Would you like to spend the rest of the afternoon quibbling about this?

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Elmer!

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Rigatoni, that sort of thing.

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Elmer, remember.

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Poor Elmer.

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He's had a terrible fall.

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Poor little Elmer, the life you've led.

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She said Elmer was her first love, and he's like, I knew it all along.

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I wasn't her first love.

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Ethel, you little slut.

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God damn it.

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Elmer was clearly first, followed by Charlie, Johnny, Robert, and Roy.

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And all came normal then.

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Clean up their messes.

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I want my retirement to be this.

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You retire.

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So do I. Eric is like, I'm not so sure about this.

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Yes.

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I gotta tell you.

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This is like us in retirement.

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Two old tags bitching at each other.

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Okay, but can we all have like houses next to each other?

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So when we need breaks, we can all bitch to each other.

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And then do podcasts about all these like young kids movies.

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right hold on this is so here's the little little guy who fell off the fireplace

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and Norman starts talking about how he tried to take his own life by like

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catapulting himself off the fireplace there substitute

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So does Norman, by the way.

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Wow.

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That comes in play later.

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I'm sure it does.

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Just trying to turn you on, Ethel.

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I'm going to shuck your face.

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Oh, Norman.

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Norman, is that a gun in your hip?

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All right, ready?

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How could you guys do that?

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He's also a pretty good dive expert because he pulls off some dive terminology there.

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I'm pretty sure he's concerned with how many people will be at his funeral.

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Honestly, as of this part of the movie, there's one.

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But in the movie, that goes up.

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I can honestly say that is not something I have ever... How many people would be at my funeral?

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First of all, I call bullshit on this.

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Oh, don't you even dare.

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I call bullshit on the fact that anybody has ever not thought of how many people

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would be at their funeral.

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Have you never visualized your own funeral?

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Listen, I'm not going to go there.

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That look said I have.

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That's usually like a writing assignment in high school to write your own book.

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But that's not the thing that I... Bitch, I wear my dress from me.

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I'm telling you.

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I don't want there to be a line at my funeral.

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I'm like, no, no, no.

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I don't want there to be a line.

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I want there to be a limited number of people who can even get in.

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I'm going to sell fast passes.

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I want to be like, the first 50 get in.

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The rest of you all, it's like fucking Black Friday at this place, okay?

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The first 50, you get to get in and see me, and then the rest of you guys, you're out of luck.

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Go to the fucking next day.

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That's not a bad way to do it, right?

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The first 50 get in.

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But I'm saying I've never thought about how many people would be at my funeral.

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But not in a vain way, just like admiring the amount of people at someone's funeral.

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It's kind of like, dang, I don't think I can ever do this.

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But then when you go to one that only has a few people, you're like, yeah, I can compete in this.

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I think I can beat that.

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I can do this.

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Oh, my God.

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What was surprising to me,

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and I didn't know this when I recommended this movie to you guys,

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is that this was the second highest grossing movie in the United States for the

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year of 1981.

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What was number one?

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Yeah.

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So number one was Raiders of the Lost Ark.

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I've never seen that.

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I've never seen that.

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I love you.

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Raiders of the Lost Ark.

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I've seen some of them.

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You're going to Disney, right?

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Yeah.

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Oh, you have to see the live show.

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If Ryan tells me I have to see it, I really have to see it.

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Oh, no, I've never seen it.

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You have to see the live show.

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Yes.

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I've seen that.

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We went to Disney on our senior class trip in high school.

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And that was like a huge thing.

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I want to talk about the movie.

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Anyway, stop.

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Here's what's interesting.

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Back to Norman.

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Okay.

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In fact, the number one grossing movie when you can include international sales was Superman 2.

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Because Superman 2 grossed $216 million.

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Raiders of the Lost Ark was $212 million.

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And then All in Golden Pond was $119 million.

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It's pretty impressive, though.

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But after that was Arthur and Stripes.

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Now, Arthur... Arthur... Arthur... I don't know how to say that.

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Arthur.

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Arthur.

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Was a movie... I've actually seen it.

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It's a good movie, and it's about... I was thinking of that PBS show with the Arthur the Aardvark.

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It's not that.

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It's not that.

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Oh, okay.

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No, Arthur the movie... His sister, D.W.?

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Is... Ha ha...

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All right.

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I really like when I'm not leading.

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It stars Dudley Moore, and he's like a drunk guy, but he was up for Best Actor.

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He didn't win.

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Stripes.

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We all know Stripes, right?

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Bill Murray?

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Bill Murray?

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In any event, Stripes was five.

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I think he just shamed us.

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I love Bill Murray, but I've never seen Stripes.

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All right.

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Well, Henry Fonda won for Best Actor.

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Katherine Hepburn won for Best Actress.

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Best Screenplay, I think they won for that.

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And I think, I'm pretty sure Jane Fonda won also.

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Wrong.

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Wrong.

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All right.

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Jane Fonda didn't win.

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Oh, she should have.

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She should have.

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They were nominated for Best Picture and nominated for Best Director.

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I don't think they won for either of those.

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Best Picture went to Chariots of Fire.

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That's what's won that year.

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So for all of these awards that they were nominated for, why have I never heard of this movie before?

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That's a question for you.

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Not the committee.

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I know why I have never heard of it.

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Oh, Jesus.

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Here we go again.

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Let's get into the fact that her first movie was Billy Madison.

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Come on.

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Billy Madison was a good movie.

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That was your first movie for real?

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No.

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What are you even saying?

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It's not my fault that I'm younger than you.

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Listen, I'm just going to say when I brought this up to my mother who is much older than you and my aunt.

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She may not be much older.

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I had to take a shot.

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I mean, I'm just going to say.

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Great movies shouldn't.

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They loved that movie.

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They loved it, though.

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Yeah, but I was not around during that time.

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It doesn't matter.

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A great movie shouldn't.

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It should go beyond.

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Transcends the years.

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Transcends.

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Thank you, Sarah.

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It should.

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It should.

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It should, and it does.

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Not everybody has a sophisticated palate like you and I. You know what?

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I've got to say.

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Oh, my God.

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Ryan, are you kidding?

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tonight I'm learning this don't you dare side with him I just gotta say nothing the

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one thing I appreciate it all of a sudden you're on his side all of a sudden you're

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like yeah you can I speak to my friend for a moment can I speak to my friend for a

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moment when I saw Erica sit down on the couch to finish the movie 20 minutes before

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we were going to start laughing

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And I was just like, there's someone who really, really digs it.

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Yeah.

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Or who doesn't want to come off as really lazy.

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Ten things I hate about you, I gave a 7.5.

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I'm going to say this was an 8.5.

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I'm just going to jump to the end and say.

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Why?

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Because of risk fishing?

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I've got to be honest with you.

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I want to know how they put the fish in the boat there.

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Did they hook them and put them back in the water?

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That's all Ryan cares about.

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He cares about the logistics of the fishing.

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By the way, now that we're into that, I want to actually talk about that.

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The show takes place in Maine, but the filming was in New Hampshire.

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Correct.

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But they were from, like, Pennsylvania, right?

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Yeah, he went to UPenn.

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He did?

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I was really wondering, like, where the accent came from.

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Yes.

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God damn it.

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The accents helped.

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Yeah, about 30 minutes in, I was like, I don't think I could listen to this anymore.

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You know, it's funny.

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We had an Ethel.

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You met Ethel in my family, right?

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You?

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We had a real Ethel in my family.

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Oh, I love it.

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But she sounded like you couldn't talk to her.

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She was crazy, and it sounded like that.

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It's just insane.

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It's like Bertha.

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Everyone's got a Bertha.

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I love Ethel in this movie,

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but if I was actually related to her,

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she'd be like,

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how do you hear the loons?

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I'd be like, shut the fuck up, Ethel.

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We all heard the loons, Ethel.

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Ethel, Ethel, here's the thing.

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If you would shut the fuck up a minute.

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Maybe we could hear the loons.

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I could listen to the loons and not your piercing voice.

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Do you get that none of this is their interactions back and forth?

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I feel like they're flirting the entire time.

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Oh, yeah.

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Like, the entire time is just him trying to get into her pants.

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Some of that.

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I feel like that's the whole thing.

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Like, be a woman.

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Like, he's trying to, like... He's flirting the entire movie.

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But he never succeeds, though.

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I don't think... Not that we see.

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Look, there were some scenes without them, and it was just Billy, so you never know.

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I gotta be honest here.

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If Norman got there, I don't think he survives the night.

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it's me old poop i was just going to talk about they talk about their ages and he

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talks about how he's like nearing 80 and she says that she's like close to 70 so it

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just sets up that there is like an age difference here there's at least like 10

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years here all right while you all catch your breath and i said something serious

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here

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cheers you said something serious i did no well i did look up that like those were

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like the actual ages that they were like during the time of the filming yes they

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were in their 70s but no in the movie they talk about she says that he says that

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he's like nearing well like we know he's gonna have his 80th birthday right and

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And she's in her 60s, but both Henry was 76 and Katharine Hepburn was 74 at the time of the filming.

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Okay, so they were pretty close.

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And she's doing her own stunts.

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Amazing.

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It's not Mission Impossible here.

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We will get to that, but I am still, she is very impressive.

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When I was watching this,

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though,

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I thought maybe they were much younger and they were playing older characters.

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Oh, did you see his eyebrows?

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Like Henry Fonda.

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You didn't check the eyebrows?

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I'm surprised.

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It looked like he had a lot of makeup on.

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Yeah.

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And it looked to me like Henry Fonda's eyebrows lived a life.

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They were bushy.

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They had a life of their own.

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They need some grooming.

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No, they were 80-year-old man eyebrows.

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I mean, I was like, God damn, dude.

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Like...

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I think that's incredible.

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When I hear stories about like actors talking about like.

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Eyebrows?

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Not their eyebrows.

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Talking about their careers.

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I thought that's what we were just talking about is eyebrows.

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I was going off of talking about their careers and just like,

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I mean,

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like filming a movie in general,

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like just like how time consuming.

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Don't make that face at me.

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He's like 80 years old.

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That's a lot for a person to be doing.

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I couldn't do it at my age of 25.

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What do you mean that's a lot for a person to be doing?

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At the age of 80.

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Yeah, because actors work like 14 hours a day.

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Just for him to get in the canoe and go in the water had to be an effort.

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I gotta tell you, Henry Fonda deserved that Best Actor award.

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Absolutely.

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I'm very glad that Jane Fonda did this movie because I think it was probably very therapeutic for her.

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Listening to that.

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I'll get to that.

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So I want to bring I want to bring us back to the movie when they take the boat for gas.

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What?

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What?

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So we've got.

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So when they take the boat for gas and when Ethel says Norman will help you,

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you see both kids kind of sigh.

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So you know right away Norman's kind of a pain in the ass kind of guy.

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Then it cuts to him just staring at the gas gauge.

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Did you see that?

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Where he's just like staring at the numbers.

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It's kind of funny.

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The kids make a crack about his age and Norman...

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Oh, he goes off.

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He goes ballistic.

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And just tells them all the fun things they have to look forward to.

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He's like, you think it's fun?

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And then he throws up his dukes and he puts up his hands like he was a 1920s boxer.

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Remember that?

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He's like, I'll take you both on.

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And he puts his dukes up.

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Now, if you notice, this is something that really caught my attention.

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Going to the gas station, Ethel drives, but when they leave, Norman drives.

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Is that a movie mistake?

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No.

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It's Norman feeling like going there, he was just like, look, I'm a little older.

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I'll just let Ethel drive.

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But then when these kids challenge his manhood, he's just like, Ethel, get in the fucking passenger seat.

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Taking you for a ride.

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I'm driving us home, Ethel.

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Want to dance?

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Just trying to turn you on, baby.

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So anyway, Norman insists on driving home.

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I think he makes a comment about how she's bad at directions or something, which I was like,

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rude Norman throughout the earlier parts of this movie he keeps looking for a job

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which I really bring that back to like

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He wants to feel like he can do something that's not retirement.

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He's struggling.

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The entire movie,

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he's struggling with getting older,

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but not just getting older,

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but admitting he's not there.

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He's no longer who he was.

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Great point.

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What I would say is that means...

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It's not getting older.

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It's recognizing you can't do the things you used to be able to do.

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Norman can accept that he can't do the things that a few years ago he may have been able to do.

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Yeah.

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Which is a shame.

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But I also think there's parts where we are starting to get the fact that he is going through dementia.

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Heading towards possibly Alzheimer's when he's picking up pictures of their family

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and wondering...

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He picks up a picture of him and Ethel and Chelsea,

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I think,

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when she's a baby.

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Who are these people?

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But he's recognizing it as well.

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He's recognizing something is different.

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But that's like...

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That's what makes this movie so heartbreaking,

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though,

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is that we're with Norman this entire time,

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and...

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There's many moments where it's just like funny.

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Norman doesn't know what the fuck he's doing.

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But there's also moments where it's like, God, this just breaks your heart, man.

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Because when Norman doesn't recognize somebody or when Norman's calling Billy

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Chelsea in those moments,

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it's like...

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God, that hits you right in the feels.

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Well, Bailey was the son he never had.

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Yeah.

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You can see it on Chelsea's face.

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But he's calling the boy Chelsea.

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He's not calling the boy something else.

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He's calling him Chelsea.

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And I think we'll get to that as it goes on because I have a few comments I have about that.

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I think as a

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As a woman, I think we have like a few thoughts on that.

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Yeah, like a huge piece at the end where she was like, you know, I was a daughter.

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Like he always wanted a son.

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Yeah.

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But I think it's like we can all relate to like knowing someone that has started going through that.

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Like I know personally, like my grandmother before she passed.

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there were, there were a couple of times when I went over and she was living on her own at the time.

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And at the time it seemed like, like she was completely lucid.

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And then like later I found out like my,

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my mom has very blonde hair now,

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but like growing up,

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I mean,

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okay.

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She dyed it.

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Yeah.

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It was not gray growing up.

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No, no, no, no.

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But she had dark hair like me and she dyed it blonde.

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So like when I was having black hair.

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Yeah.

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Shut up.

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When I was having these moments with my grandmother and at the time she like seemed

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to know like who I was.

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And then like later I would talk to my mom and she thought that I was,

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she would thought that it was my mom.

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And you know what?

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But in the end, she was having a good conversation with whoever it was.

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There were a few moments in the movie where he would call Billy Chelsea.

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Yes.

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Many moments when he would call her Chelsea.

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In my mind,

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though,

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I thought it wasn't like...

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See,

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that's why I don't think it was...

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I always wanted a boy.

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Maybe growing up, he wanted to have a son.

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Yeah.

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But at that moment, he knew his child was Chelsea.

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Yes.

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And he was living through Billy to Chelsea.

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The bottom line is that at his most dire moment, he called for Chelsea.

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Right.

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The boat accident, Chelsea right away.

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That lets you know the person he needed was Chelsea, not Billy.

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Right.

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Hold on a second.

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I'm trying to think.

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Anyway, you hold poop.

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You knew who he needed was Chelsea.

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Yeah, that was pretty cool.

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But I kind of like the fact that he was out there struggling with Billy, but he kept calling him Chelsea.

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Chelsea, I feel like she was really...

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got a lot hurt inside from growing up.

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I mean, why is she calling her father Norman?

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And not dad.

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I don't want to seem insensitive here, but you bring up a good point.

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Did anyone else get the knot in their throat with Chelsea?

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Was she overreacting?

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Did you feel like she was overreacting?

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She was overreacting.

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Oh, I did not think so.

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So I understand the experience, the trauma, and I understand all of this.

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I'm not discounting that.

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But in the movie, I felt like every time something, any time Norman said something...

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But I think that's like... She reacted.

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It's all the things that we haven't seen before that.

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Her entire life growing up with him.

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Well, we're seeing it in his reaction to Billy.

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Right.

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That's what it was supposed to be.

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I mean, I remember, John, you told me that...

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these are her parents.

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So I knew that going in, but her calling her mother mommy and calling him Norman.

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I got 100%.

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I got like stepdad vibes like from that.

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Yes.

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All right.

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So let's,

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I mean,

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you don't have to go chronologically or anything,

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but I think that was purposely done to the point where she calls him Norman because

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to this point,

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he's Norman.

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He's just this guy who she butts heads with.

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It's a fractured relationship.

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Yes.

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And when he,

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when she says later in the movie,

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I was hoping,

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you know,

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we could be friends,

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you know,

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that we wouldn't hate each other.

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And he's like, I never thought we hate each other.

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I just thought we didn't like each other very much.

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Yeah.

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That was, I was funny.

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And yeah, I love the scene because it's so raw.

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It's like, I never hated you.

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I just thought I didn't like you very much.

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It made me think it has to, I mean, I say it has to make it, it made me think, um,

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Their perception, their reality was so different.

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Yeah, 100%.

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He didn't hate her.

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No.

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He just felt like, I need something a little different.

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You're not giving it to me as a daughter.

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What I wondered was from that time period, he seemed very rigid in things.

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And her calling him by his first name seemed very off to me from his perspective.

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That he would be very upset by that.

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But...

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I don't know that like maybe she didn't say it in front of him or that he like I

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feel like he would not be OK with her calling him by his first name.

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OK, since we're going there.

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She shows up showing him she shows up calling him Norman and we know that.

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That's not a loving relationship.

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But what I really think is happening here is the play,

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the movie,

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it's sort of letting you know that what's going to happen is by the end,

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she does the backflip.

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They have this moment on the boat where it's like this amazing moment.

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I don't know if you guys saw it because I've seen the movie 40-something times now.

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It was 30 times, like 10 minutes ago.

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He just watched it a couple times.

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I'm the only one here who's seen it between 30 and 40 times.

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She goes the entire movie from calling him Norman,

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but there's a moment at the very end where she calls him dad.

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And she says it quickly and turns around.

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That's what it's all set up for, though, is she calls him dad.

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I agree.

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I agree.

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That is what it's all about.

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My question was that time period and his personality.

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Yeah.

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that he was not questioning the fact that she was calling him by his first name.

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I just wondered about that.

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well because it was clear that she had a very good relationship with her mom mommy

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which i'm just gonna say i'm 34 years old i do not call my mother mommy and i love

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her i love my mom to death no i call her mom right but that's also like their mommy

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but i don't yes you do

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When you're talking about her.

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I call my mom.

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No.

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I call my mother mom.

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Bathtub.

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Bathtub is near her entrance.

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Bathtub Erica is always truthful.

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No, I say mom.

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I call her mom.

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I talk about her as mom.

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But if I'm talking to my sister, it's mommy.

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I don't know why.

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Is it Everton Norman?

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never norman i like norm better norm sounds like never called my parents by their

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first name but i know a person i work with except for my stepdad i'm gonna call my

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mom shelly i want to just call her and be like hey shelly what's up all right she

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says i feel like if i said that to my mom she would smack me i would never my mom

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would be so hurt she would be like why are you

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What's wrong?

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I want to point out that I think the power in the movie is that she's able to call

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him Norman and they both are like,

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yeah,

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I'm Norman.

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And then at the very end when she calls him daddy, come on, man.

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That's one of the most powerful scenes in the movie.

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I agree.

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Can I say from not knowing,

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you had given me a little insight into the movie,

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but if I had not known a little bit going into it,

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I think that a lot of people like hearing how she called him Norman,

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I think they would have thought that possibly he was a stepfather.

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Right.

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I thought that.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I was kind of questioning like, wait a minute.

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What is this relationship?

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Yes.

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it's interesting because I would think he was a stepfather through the whole movie.

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And at that moment, she just viewed him as her father.

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Yeah.

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Like we're going to cross that threshold.

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Even regardless if he was her stepfather, that's great too.

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Right.

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Right.

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But I'm saying like, I don't know.

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And I mean,

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from that time period too,

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I think that would be like a little bit interesting calling him his first name.

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Like, and him, what does the little boy, Billy call Chelsea?

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Yeah.

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He calls her Chelsea, but she's girlfriend and stepmom.

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Yeah, she's girlfriend and stepmom.

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I know,

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but you kind of get that feeling where he perceives Chelsea in the same way that

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she perceives Norman.

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That's exactly what I'm saying, step-parent.

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No, I don't think so.

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And I think he sees her in a better way.

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No, I think he sees her as a girlfriend who potentially is going to be a stepmom.

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She's cool and hip, and we're going to deal with her.

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She wasn't, though.

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But there's an issue between Norman and Chelsea.

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Let me ask you this.

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Do you think the relationship that evolves between Norman and Billy is a glimpse at

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the relationship that he and Chelsea should have had?

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Is the entire movie kind of like this is the relationship that Norman and Chelsea

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could have had had they maybe bonded earlier in their lives?

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Yes.

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Absolutely.

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I think that's what we're seeing.

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Yes.

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I don't think that once they kind of...

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Mediate everything.

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I don't think they can ever go back to that.

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But...

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I hope that it's kind of a little bit foreshadowing of a more positive relationship,

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but I think it's going to be different.

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You know, it's an adult relationship.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But that's, I don't know.

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I guess I watched it one more time and I was like,

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man,

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that,

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that really like this is,

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and it's not in my opinion because I know that this differs from yours.

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Um, I don't think it has anything to do with the fact that, uh, Billy's a boy.

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I really think...

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I don't think that either,

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but I think for Chelsea,

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for her to see anybody connecting with him is difficult because it was so difficult

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for her and him to have that connection.

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And I think most people would have...

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I mean,

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I don't want to say like complete jealousy,

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but it is like this envy of that relationship that you thought you could have.

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And it's like, why can you do that with him, but you couldn't do that with me?

(00:48:14):
Right after the crash...

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This is one of my favorite moments in the movie.

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They crash the boat, and then they spend a week putting jigsaw puzzles together.

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And they go to sneak out the fish, and she catches them.

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And she kind of reams them out a little bit.

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I love that part.

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It's so cute.

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And she's like, where are you two going?

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And he's like, the jigsaw puzzle for a week.

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It's like they're two little buddies.

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They're just sneaking.

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Oh, and mom caught them.

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They're sneaking off.

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And she's like, well, you better stay in our cove.

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And he's like, I don't know, fish in our cove.

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And he's like, all right, I promise.

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Then he does a little kissy, handy wavy thing.

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And my favorite part there is when Billy says, but what about Walter?

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And he just elbows him.

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He gives him a little rib shot.

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He's like...

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And it's because he named Walter after Ethel's brother, who was a big, ugly, quiet son of a bitch.

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Wait, did they say that in the movie?

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Yes.

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Oh, I missed that part.

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I missed that part.

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Okay,

(00:49:10):
so there's a part in the movie where he says,

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Walter is a big,

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ugly son of a bitch,

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and I named him after Ethel's brother.

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So that's why when the kid says Walter, he's like...

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Ooh, okay.

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She doesn't know the fish is there.

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Well, I mean, I haven't watched it 40 times, but you know.

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Fair enough.

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So right about that time, they go off to fish, and then that's when Chelsea returns.

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She comes back.

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She doesn't have Bill with her, the dentist.

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And this is...

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second time in the movie that she and her mom get into a pretty big fight that

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happens earlier in the movie and then they get into another large fight when

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Chelsea said well Chelsea looks out on the pond and sees the two of them fishing

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she just goes ballistic she's like

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I think that's hard, though.

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Can you imagine,

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though,

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you don't have this relationship with your parent and you see them making this

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connection with this kid that's not blood related,

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that he's only known for a couple of months.

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And also this kid who you perceive to be a real asshole.

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Right.

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Chelsea, even Bill perceived Billy as being this complete... Difficult, yeah.

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Difficult, not a kid that you would want to be around.

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And all of a sudden she comes back and she goes, I hope he wasn't too bad.

(00:50:24):
well, he's out there fishing with Norman.

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They look off and they're catching Walter and having the best bonding experience ever.

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I imagine that was a shock to her system.

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She probably thought, I'm coming back and they're going to be pulling their hair out.

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Why did you leave this child with us?

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Can I just add something?

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When she first comes, in the very beginning when she originally comes with the dentist and Billy,

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Norman makes a comment.

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He asks something about what's the make of her rental car.

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She doesn't know.

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When she comes back from Europe, she tells Ethel she knows exactly the make and model.

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It just made it clear that she cares about what Norman thinks.

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She was competing with Billy at that point.

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I think it's like no matter how hard she tries not to let him get to her,

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she cares about she makes a comment i live i don't know 3 000 miles away in

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california and i'm still answering to him like she doesn't feel like an adult yet

(00:51:30):
right and i think that's probably the biggest problem for her is she's never really

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materialized into an adult because so long as norman is projecting that like shadow

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over her yes she is the little fat kid that he

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Yes.

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And I think, too, with it sounds like when she needed to get away, when she was, you know, of age.

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Coming back any time because she doesn't have that relationship with him,

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she just totally goes back to being that child.

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Which I'm sure is partly why she doesn't come back.

(00:52:05):
Right.

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She doesn't want to go back.

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Understandably so.

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But she's never had that resolution.

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So it's just every time she comes back to Golden Pond and anywhere near Norman,

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she's just back to that little Chelsea again.

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And that's a person she doesn't like.

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Right.

(00:52:23):
so she comes back and then she's just being a negative negative like just just

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jealous of the relationship Oh Ethel says I should have rented him a 13 year old

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boy years ago and she goes you should have traded me in and uh kind of says why

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wasn't that old son of a bitch ever my friend and then I believe Ethel says

(00:52:45):
something like Chelsea can't you say anything nice and she thinks for a moment she

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goes well I got married to Bill in Brussels

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Then she's, like, kind of trying to talk about how her dad will react.

(00:52:56):
And she goes, oh, he doesn't care.

(00:52:57):
He is a selfish son of a bitch.

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And her mom slaps her and says, that old son of a bitch happens to be my husband.

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And I think that moment Chelsea runs and jumps in the lake to cool off because

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lines were crossed at that moment because I'm sure Ethel didn't put her hands on

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her very often.

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Chelsea, you're such a nice person.

(00:53:20):
Can't you think of something nice to say?

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Um, I married Bill in Brussels.

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You?

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You did what in Brussels?

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I married Bill.

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Oh, does it count in this country?

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Afraid so.

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Oh, bless you, darling.

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Congratulations.

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Nothing to it.

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Norman will be so pleased.

(00:53:43):
Yeah, sure.

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But this is Ethel's perspective.

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Norman's going to be so pleased,

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you know,

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because Ethel knows Norman like nobody else knows Norman,

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not even like Chelsea.

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And then this opens the door for Chelsea to just be kind of shitty about Norman again,

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and that's when the slap happens.

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So I'm going to play that real quick.

(00:54:01):
What do you suppose he's going to say?

(00:54:04):
Hey, Chels, fantastic.

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I'm so happy that you finally got your life together, and I'm so proud.

(00:54:13):
And he will be proud, but come right up.

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No, he won't.

(00:54:15):
No, he won't.

(00:54:16):
And you know why?

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Because he doesn't care.

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He is a selfish son of a bitch.

(00:54:23):
Oh, boom.

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That old son of a bitch happens to be my husband.

(00:54:33):
all right at this moment we all wish she was going skinny dipping but no no I'm

(00:54:39):
just kidding I'm just kidding but she goes for a dip to cool off and

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And they both realized they were in the wrong.

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I think there was a little bit of relationship help that they both needed,

(00:54:51):
too,

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because...

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I think she was just fed up with it at this point.

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There is one thing I will say.

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I mean, I have said I feel so much for Chelsea, but I do... Not the slap.

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The slap is not okay at all.

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But I do like how Ethel is sticking by her husband.

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I think that is very important, because I think sometimes people tend to forget that is your first...

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And he's old.

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Norman's on his way out.

(00:55:21):
She knows that.

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And I think Ethel has a perspective that Chelsea doesn't.

(00:55:25):
And that's that Ethel knows that this guy's like, he's losing a step.

(00:55:30):
He's crankier than he's ever been.

(00:55:32):
He's obsessed with death.

(00:55:35):
He realizes dementia is starting to happen to him.

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And she sees it every day.

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Well, Chelsea's been gone for who knows how many years.

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Chelsea comes back and, you know,

(00:55:44):
She wants her to reconcile at this point,

(00:55:46):
move on,

(00:55:47):
be an adult,

(00:55:48):
reconcile with your father,

(00:55:49):
and live life.

(00:55:52):
So she talks to Chelsea,

(00:55:54):
and the thing that she says is,

(00:55:56):
you know,

(00:55:56):
about how Norman cares so deeply,

(00:55:59):
he's just an absolute mutt about telling anyone.

(00:56:03):
And I'll play that for you real quick.

(00:56:06):
Mutt about telling anyone.

(00:56:07):
I'm going to go back a minute.

(00:56:09):
But darling.

(00:56:10):
Here it is.

(00:56:11):
Brought your sweater and your shoes.

(00:56:14):
So she brings her a sweater and shoes.

(00:56:16):
Now she feels bad.

(00:56:17):
I slapped her.

(00:56:17):
She's out in the lake.

(00:56:18):
She's cold.

(00:56:19):
They meet up,

(00:56:20):
and Chelsea's on the edge of the lake,

(00:56:22):
and her mom's standing in a,

(00:56:23):
I don't know what that thing's called.

(00:56:26):
What's that thing called?

(00:56:29):
Gazebo.

(00:56:30):
She's in a gazebo.

(00:56:31):
All right,

(00:56:31):
so they're going to have a little conversation about how Norman just can't express

(00:56:36):
his feelings.

(00:56:38):
And your car's out front.

(00:56:38):
I'm such an ass.

(00:56:40):
I'm sorry.

(00:56:41):
I'm sorry, too.

(00:56:43):
But, darling, you're wrong about your dad.

(00:56:46):
He does care.

(00:56:46):
He cares deeply.

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It's just that he's an absolute mud about telling anyone.

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I know he'd walk through fire for me, and he'd walk through fire for you, too.

(00:56:58):
And if you don't understand that, you're not looking closely enough.

(00:57:02):
I think that's true.

(00:57:05):
I think that's where we know that Ethel just knows this person,

(00:57:09):
Norman,

(00:57:09):
inside out and understands that Chelsea just doesn't.

(00:57:12):
She doesn't know him yet.

(00:57:14):
But I also think that's where Chelsea realizes her mom's right.

(00:57:19):
that there's more to Norman than what Chelsea's ever realized,

(00:57:22):
and she's going to try and make this work.

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And that leads to what I think is the best scene in the entire movie,

(00:57:30):
and that's when Chelsea finally confronts Norman.

(00:57:34):
And if you remember, it's Norman and...

(00:57:38):
Billy come back from fishing they caught Walter they let Walter go she tries to

(00:57:42):
make a little joke like oh I've heard that story before and they're like no but

(00:57:46):
seriously we caught the biggest damn fish on the lake and um they have that that

(00:57:52):
really difficult conversation and she tries to like bring up like can we be friends

(00:57:58):
and he's like his first reaction do you guys remember what he says

(00:58:04):
He said something like, I didn't think we hated each other.

(00:58:07):
I didn't think we liked each other that much.

(00:58:09):
He says that, but he also mentions, don't worry, you're in the will.

(00:58:15):
I'm not sure if I caught that.

(00:58:17):
She's trying to have this moment with her dad.

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I'll go up and I'll play a little bit of that.

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This is where I was kind of... This was probably my favorite scene as well, but I also thought it was...

(00:58:32):
Maybe not well scripted or she just didn't get it.

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He's not there.

(00:58:37):
He's not Norman that she knew growing up.

(00:58:40):
So anything he says is really not relevant.

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You're talking to a shell of a man that's not there.

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What's funny is, I don't have this written down, but I wanted to bring it up.

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When she mentions to him that she got married and he says that's sad, fantastic, something like that.

(00:58:56):
And I think that might be something that Billy,

(00:58:58):
a phrase that Billy,

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but she just sort of stops and looks at him like,

(00:59:01):
what the?

(00:59:02):
fuck what do you what do you mean sanfran like it just yeah i think it was like a

(00:59:06):
realization that what are you talking about yeah like at some point she just got to

(00:59:10):
move on she knows it's the end it's time to move on and she tells him he got mad

(00:59:17):
she got married and he's like does he speak english

(00:59:20):
Because she forgot about him.

(00:59:21):
He forgot about Bill already.

(00:59:23):
Bill, the dentist.

(00:59:23):
No, Dad.

(00:59:24):
Bill.

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No, Norman.

(00:59:26):
Bill, the dentist.

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So, um... See, Norman and I thought... Woo!

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Friend, huh?

(00:59:32):
Yeah, he's all right.

(00:59:33):
It hasn't been too difficult.

(00:59:38):
How's your forehead?

(00:59:39):
Huh?

(00:59:41):
All of this?

(00:59:41):
That's all right.

(00:59:43):
A lot of pain.

(00:59:44):
Nothing to worry about.

(00:59:50):
Norman, I want to talk to you.

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Well, it seems to be the problem.

(00:59:57):
There's no problem.

(00:59:58):
I just... I want to talk to you.

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I,

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um...

(01:00:05):
I think that,

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um...

(01:00:07):
maybe you and I should have the kind of relationship that we're supposed to have.

(01:00:10):
What kind of relationship is that?

(01:00:14):
Well, you know, like a... like a father and a daughter.

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Just in the nick of time, huh?

(01:00:21):
Worried about the will, are you?

(01:00:22):
Well, I'm leaving everything to you except what I'm taking with me.

(01:00:26):
Just stop it.

(01:00:28):
I don't want anything.

(01:00:30):
So a little backstory to this scene is that she was terrified of doing this scene with her dad.

(01:00:35):
I mean, it seems uncomfortable.

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Like real.

(01:00:41):
It's a future conversation.

(01:00:42):
A real uncomfortable conversation.

(01:00:45):
Right.

(01:00:46):
Like the difficulty that they have talking to each other here is very real.

(01:00:50):
Real.

(01:00:51):
Yes.

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And.

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She I don't remember if I mentioned this earlier, but she does something.

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Her dad,

(01:01:00):
Henry Fonda,

(01:01:02):
had to memorize every line and he never went off script and everything had to be

(01:01:07):
orchestrated perfectly.

(01:01:08):
And that's how the way that's the kind of actor he was.

(01:01:11):
So there's a moment in this scene where she's giving it her all, crying.

(01:01:15):
She's just trying to make a connection.

(01:01:17):
And what was unscripted is she reached out and she touched his hand.

(01:01:21):
And that was unscripted.

(01:01:22):
And he didn't expect it because it wasn't rehearsed.

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And then he had a little moment where he put his head down because he was crying.

(01:01:30):
So that's this scene here.

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It seems that you and me have been mad at each other for so long.

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I didn't know we were mad.

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I thought we just didn't like each other.

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I want to be your friend.

(01:01:48):
Oh.

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Does this mean you come around more often?

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You mean a lot to your mother.

(01:01:57):
Wait, there's the part.

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Did you see it?

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Oh, I can't.

(01:02:01):
Oh.

(01:02:01):
Nobody's seeing anything.

(01:02:02):
I'm running more often.

(01:02:05):
Did you see it?

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You can lock your mother.

(01:02:06):
Did you see his hand go up?

(01:02:08):
Oh, he did.

(01:02:08):
And he immediately covers his face.

(01:02:11):
Yeah, I'm going to show it to you one more time.

(01:02:13):
None of the listeners can see this.

(01:02:15):
They don't have to see it.

(01:02:16):
When they watch the movie, they'll know what we're talking about.

(01:02:18):
But it happens in about two seconds.

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He says, it'll mean a lot to your mother.

(01:02:23):
And what was unscripted is she put her hand

(01:02:26):
on his forearm, and his hand goes up over his eyes because it was too emotional.

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Come around more often.

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There's the hand.

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Good luck to your mother.

(01:02:34):
Hand up.

(01:02:35):
He immediately dips his head, so his hat's down, and his hand goes over his face.

(01:02:41):
And then at that point, she's giving her off scene.

(01:02:46):
See, what's her name?

(01:02:50):
The lady.

(01:02:51):
Help me out here.

(01:02:52):
Catherine Hepburn.

(01:02:53):
Yeah, Catherine Hepburn.

(01:02:54):
So off-scene, Catherine Hepburn is in the bushes looking at Chelsea.

(01:02:59):
Watching?

(01:02:59):
Watching.

(01:03:01):
So Catherine, as just the viewer of the scene, she's not acting.

(01:03:05):
She's watching the scene because she understands the magnitude of the scene.

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Oh my gosh, that's insane.

(01:03:11):
And she's off there and she's cheering for her.

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can do it.

(01:03:15):
She's cheering her on because she knows how hard of a scene this is for Jane Fonda.

(01:03:20):
And she's just like,

(01:03:21):
so Jane Fonda would look over and she would see,

(01:03:24):
uh,

(01:03:24):
Catherine Hepburn just giving her like the,

(01:03:26):
you can do it kind of fist.

(01:03:29):
And, uh, so I thought that was really great.

(01:03:32):
Let me, uh, I'll just play this real quick.

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No.

(01:03:43):
Yeah, a little seasick.

(01:03:44):
Yep.

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Oh, I got married in Brussels.

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You did?

(01:03:50):
In Brussels?

(01:03:51):
Uh-huh.

(01:03:51):
Speak English?

(01:03:52):
He makes me very happy.

(01:03:54):
Well, good.

(01:03:55):
Does he speak English?

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Bill.

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I married Bill.

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Bill.

(01:03:59):
Oh, Bill.

(01:04:00):
Good.

(01:04:01):
Hey.

(01:04:01):
I saw him three weeks ago.

(01:04:04):
Sam-fran-tastic.

(01:04:05):
There's that moment when it says Sam-fran-tastic.

(01:04:07):
Is Billy going to be living with you?

(01:04:09):
All right,

(01:04:10):
so the point is,

(01:04:11):
he says this San Fran-tastic thing,

(01:04:13):
and he's like,

(01:04:14):
is Billy going to be living with you?

(01:04:15):
And she's just like, oh, man.

(01:04:20):
Obviously, it's a little weird, right?

(01:04:22):
All right.

(01:04:25):
So I just want to wrap this thing up, right?

(01:04:29):
So she does that moment, and then they go out.

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I don't know if you guys want to see the backflip, but we'll just move forward.

(01:04:35):
Nobody can see.

(01:04:36):
You know what I mean.

(01:04:37):
Here, here's the backflip.

(01:04:39):
But she does the backflip,

(01:04:40):
and this is a huge moment,

(01:04:41):
not only because when she does the backflip,

(01:04:45):
there's a moment where he says,

(01:04:46):
wow,

(01:04:47):
you never really were a good backflipper,

(01:04:49):
were you?

(01:04:50):
And then we heard that.

(01:04:51):
But then...

(01:04:53):
she says you know what I'm gonna do a backflip to go Chelsea on the dinner she

(01:05:00):
swims out and he gets on his boat and races out after and she's on the thing and

(01:05:05):
he's just like he's just so excited for her to just be up there attempting this

(01:05:10):
thing that she could never do in her life and then she does it and everyone goes

(01:05:15):
bananas for her they're so excited for her and I love that moment and that's really

(01:05:19):
her

(01:05:21):
I would assume so.

(01:05:22):
I mean, it's a stupid backflip.

(01:05:25):
Okay, can you do a backflip?

(01:05:28):
I don't know.

(01:05:29):
How old is she here?

(01:05:30):
Like 40?

(01:05:30):
I can't do a backflip.

(01:05:33):
Really?

(01:05:34):
You can't do a backflip?

(01:05:34):
Can you do a backflip?

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It's the easiest dive in the whole mix.

(01:05:39):
I mean, I could attempt it.

(01:05:40):
Can you guys do a backflip?

(01:05:42):
I can't do a backflip, but if Norman was my dad, I think I'd be able to do a backflip.

(01:05:47):
Jesus, the only thing he cares about in my entire life is that I can do a backflip.

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So what you're saying is she's been in California just practicing all these years probably, right?

(01:05:55):
Oh, her backflip was terrible.

(01:05:59):
She said as much.

(01:06:00):
You're very critical.

(01:06:01):
Next time we're at the pool.

(01:06:05):
Yeah.

(01:06:06):
You do a backflip.

(01:06:08):
I can do a backflip.

(01:06:09):
Easiest dive in the mix.

(01:06:11):
But she's so proud of herself.

(01:06:14):
And now we're at the parting scene, the very end of the movie.

(01:06:17):
And she's saying goodbye.

(01:06:19):
I really love this scene because we've talked about this so much during the podcast

(01:06:24):
is how she called him Norman the whole time.

(01:06:26):
And here's the scene where she finally...

(01:06:30):
all that tension between them just seems to be at ease.

(01:06:36):
She finally just seems like for the first moment in this entire movie, they connect it.

(01:06:42):
So I kind of want to play that real quick.

(01:06:45):
So here comes Norman.

(01:06:46):
He's coming down the steps.

(01:06:47):
And he has a fishing rod with him.

(01:06:49):
He's giving that fishing rod to Billy.

(01:06:54):
So immediately,

(01:06:55):
I'm sure there's a little Chelsea like,

(01:06:57):
oh,

(01:06:57):
god damn,

(01:06:58):
I thought I connected him like that.

(01:06:59):
He's giving that little kid a fishing rod.

(01:07:02):
And then he's like, oh, I got something for you, too.

(01:07:07):
And the thing he gives her, I'm like, what a freaking awesome thing to give her, right?

(01:07:13):
Say what he gives her.

(01:07:14):
Do you remember?

(01:07:15):
Is it a medal, right?

(01:07:16):
A medal from University of Pennsylvania's second place diving championship.

(01:07:22):
And he puts it around her neck.

(01:07:24):
Got something for you too.

(01:07:25):
You know what this is?

(01:07:30):
University of Pennsylvania diving finals 1921 second place.

(01:07:37):
1921.

(01:07:38):
Now I can retire.

(01:07:39):
Show that to your new husband.

(01:07:40):
Maybe give us a discount on dental work.

(01:07:44):
Back to that dental work.

(01:07:48):
I'll miss you, Norman.

(01:07:52):
Goodbye, woman.

(01:07:53):
Goodbye, Billy.

(01:07:59):
Goodbye, Norman.

(01:08:01):
Then she turns and their eyes meet.

(01:08:03):
They're

(01:08:05):
He gives her a hug.

(01:08:06):
Oh, he leans in first.

(01:08:07):
And they embrace.

(01:08:08):
Oh, how awesome is that?

(01:08:09):
All right.

(01:08:12):
That's it for that.

(01:08:13):
Yay.

(01:08:14):
Then we get to the scene where he pretty much dies on the porch.

(01:08:18):
Poor Norman.

(01:08:20):
But he survives,

(01:08:21):
but there's a moment on the porch where it doesn't look good,

(01:08:24):
and it looks like this might be the end.

(01:08:26):
They survive.

(01:08:27):
I'll be honest,

(01:08:28):
watching that,

(01:08:28):
I was like,

(01:08:29):
I swear,

(01:08:29):
if John made me watch this movie,

(01:08:32):
and he dies,

(01:08:33):
I'm like...

(01:08:36):
I don't think I'd recommend this movie if Norman was just dead at the end.

(01:08:39):
I'd be like, oh my God.

(01:08:40):
Well, I don't know.

(01:08:42):
There was no way he was going to die there.

(01:08:43):
It would be too cliche.

(01:08:45):
Right, of course.

(01:08:45):
He dies like three weeks later, obviously.

(01:08:47):
Yeah.

(01:08:50):
I'm just kidding.

(01:08:51):
It's like a month.

(01:08:53):
Off screen.

(01:08:54):
Yeah.

(01:08:54):
No, that actually does happen.

(01:08:56):
So this gets me to my point.

(01:09:00):
So at the very end, you know, he's almost dead.

(01:09:02):
He drops the China.

(01:09:03):
He looks like he's going to go.

(01:09:04):
She can't get anyone the phone.

(01:09:06):
Like, this is it.

(01:09:07):
She puts something under his tongue and he perks back to life.

(01:09:13):
And we know that he's actually going to survive at least that.

(01:09:17):
So here's the ending of the movie.

(01:09:18):
We know he's going to be okay.

(01:09:20):
He gets up.

(01:09:21):
And what does he want to see?

(01:09:22):
He wants to see those loons.

(01:09:23):
Face first in the water.

(01:09:25):
You'll know I wasn't.

(01:09:26):
Take it easy, Beyonce.

(01:09:30):
I'm only good for one damn mess a day.

(01:09:32):
And that's with him trying to suck face with her.

(01:09:35):
Hello there.

(01:09:36):
Hi.

(01:09:38):
Want to dance?

(01:09:40):
Or would you rather just suck face?

(01:09:48):
That's the listen.

(01:09:50):
The loons.

(01:09:51):
They come around to say goodbye.

(01:10:29):
Thank you.