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Just when you thought all podcasts have been made,

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one comes along that's riveting,

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kind of informative,

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often nonsensical,

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maybe even a little too long.

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The Movie Club.

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Who left the mics on?

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I'm a little terrified at this moment.

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Yeah, me too.

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Oh, I like this one.

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This one just feels different.

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Oh, man, it's just good.

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The others are just kind of like, not bad, not bad.

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This one.

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When I think horror, I think this.

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It's the director who made this.

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Yes.

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With his own piano.

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Nah.

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For real?

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Yeah, it did.

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Katie has that.

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I think everybody has that one.

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Is that one of your facts?

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Anyway.

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Well, I'm Ryan.

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I'm Katie.

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I'm John.

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And I'm Erica.

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And we're talking horror movies tonight.

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We've got three of them.

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We've got Friday the 13th, Halloween, and A Nightmare on Elm Street.

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Not in that order, right?

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Yeah, we're switching it up a little bit.

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Yeah, we're going chronological.

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Yeah, we're going to start with Halloween.

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Came out in 1978.

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So we're going to go through a couple of classic Halloween movies and kind of talk

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about who we find the scariest classic villain of all time.

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I know who mine is.

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Oh, I know who mine is, too.

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But also, watching these as an adult, mine has definitely changed.

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It hits different.

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Yeah, it definitely does.

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Yeah, I agree.

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I mean, but I also feel like we're not the target audience.

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We're not like that 15-year-old who just wants to see a boob and get scared.

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Right.

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Well, I think when I originally watched them, I was the target audience.

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Oh, I totally was.

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I was like, come on, mama.

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Let me watch a horror movie.

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Yeah.

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alone in my room preferably yeah i'm just gonna watch it for seven minutes i think

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uh my perspective on all of this has changed a bit okay it definitely hit different

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there's no doubt about it yeah but can i before we get going i just have a question

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about this um is it does it also is it also different that we kind of know the

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outcomes of these movies like

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No.

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Really?

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No, you know what, because... Well, for two of them, yes.

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For one of them, absolutely not for me.

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See, I felt like the surprise factor just was like, eh.

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Did they really have surprise factors?

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No, they were all D-list actors.

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I mean, come on.

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Oh, I mean, Kevin Bacon.

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Kevin Bacon was like 15.

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Well,

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the cool thing is that each one of these movies has a very,

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very famous actor that was kind of getting their start at the time.

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yeah yeah yeah we'll go through those yeah but i i mean i i think it's been a good

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20 years since i've watched these movies so i didn't remember every aspect of it i

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remembered kind of you know the plot line but i don't i mean it's you were

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disappointed

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My ratings were not that great,

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but it's,

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I think when you're older,

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it's like,

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I'm like,

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Oh,

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the acting on it.

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And I think like when you're a kid,

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it's more,

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I think more of the fantasy kind of got me when I was younger,

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where now it's more of the,

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more of the realism.

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I mean, I agree.

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Like the acting was pretty bad, but felt nostalgic.

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Yeah.

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I do agree with that.

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Yes, I definitely did.

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Growing up, my mom was not into horror movies at all.

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So I went to my cousin's house and watched movies.

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And my aunt and uncle were the ones that showed us movies and stuff.

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And we used to always have scary movie nights.

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And we actually,

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me and a couple of my cousins,

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still once a year in October,

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we have a scary movie night.

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Can we come this year?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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it's like the one time a year i now watch scary movies because with kids i don't

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watch a lot of a lot of that stuff now with them in the house and everything last

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year we watched um smile oh yes yeah i think there's a sequel coming out now but um

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i think a couple years ago we watched the new um pet cemetery with john lithgow

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honestly i think i'm having a hard time now that i've had kids anything that has

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children in it i'm like it's not scary i'm like oh my god the

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Well, then you're not going to like any of these movies.

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They all have kids in them.

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Teenagers are different.

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They can die.

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Teenagers can die.

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It's different than this.

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Great question.

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How many people were at his funeral?

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This is going to be a thing.

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I'm going to have a shirt that says, how many people will be at my funeral?

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Over, under?

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You know what?

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Over, under.

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We should throw a bet out there now.

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Set a line now for how many people will be at your funeral.

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We can all bet on it.

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And then I hope I'm just around to collect.

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Yeah.

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Whoever's left.

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Yeah.

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Oh, my God.

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I took the over.

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God damn it.

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I can't believe you went before me.

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I took the over.

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Or John went first, and he's just watching the funeral, and he's like, I knew it.

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I'll never see that money, you son of a bitch.

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You got me good.

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What movie are we starting with tonight?

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All right, we're going to start with Halloween.

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Halloween came out in 1978.

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The screenplay was by John Carpenter and Deborah Hill, and it was also directed by John Carpenter.

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And so we talked about each of these movies has an actor that became very,

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very famous,

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was not famous at the time.

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It was most of them.

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It was one of their very first movies.

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And so for Halloween, it was the Jamie Lee Curtis who plays Laurie.

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You know what's interesting?

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I found Jamie Lee Curtis in 1978 Halloween looks the same as Jamie Lee Curtis in

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anything she's ever done.

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She doesn't age.

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She looks incredible.

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No, she looks 45 in everything she's ever done.

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Well,

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I'm not sure if any of you have seen this,

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but they just posted a picture of her and Lindsay Lohan as the first picture of the

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new Freaky Friday that's coming out in 2025.

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That was a good movie too.

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Yeah.

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You don't know what we're talking about.

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Clearly you're not in touch.

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I don't know these things.

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And Donald Pleasance played Samuel Loomis, who is the doctor.

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Nancy Keys played Annie.

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Nick Castle played Michael Myers.

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And PJ Knowles played Linda.

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So six-year-old Michael Myers stabs his sister to death.

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And is sent to an asylum.

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I thought it was his mom.

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What?

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Did you watch the movie?

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Just messed up my whole summary.

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God, I'm sorry.

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You know what?

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Forget I said that.

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Continue, please.

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Six-year-old Michael Myers stabs his sister to death and is sent to an asylum where

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he spends the next 15 years not speaking.

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On October 30th,

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1978,

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Michael escapes and returns to his hometown where he goes on a murderous rampage on

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Halloween night,

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killing teenagers while they are babysitting.

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His last attempt is to kill Laurie Strahd,

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but before he has the chance,

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his doctor shoots him and he falls onto the front yard.

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But the next time we view the yard, Michael is gone.

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Gone.

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That sounded like the movie.

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Can I say one thing about that?

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Like a radio movie voice.

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what I found what I loved about this movie is that through through until that

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moment Michael was a real person who was going on a murderous rampage he was an

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escaped psychopath from a you know psycho institution and

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And he showed a lot of human elements.

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Like he struggled strangling someone or he like,

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kind of like,

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like there were very human elements in,

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in when he tried to kill people.

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And I think it was like, he was a real person.

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He was a real person.

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He was a real person.

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Then he falls out the window.

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And then when he disappears, it's like, that's the moment he became the Michael Myers that you know now.

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And he didn't just fall.

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He was like shot a bunch of times in the chest.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Who knows?

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I mean, he could have been wearing Kevlar.

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Where do you get that from?

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Who knows?

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Okay, probably not.

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He just ate those bullets and then just landed in the yard and disappeared.

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That's all I have to say.

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You can move on.

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I'm John.

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No, I'm just kidding.

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I gave this movie a five.

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Out of what?

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Out of 10.

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Five likes out of 10 likes.

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Five out of 10.

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For all of you that haven't noticed in the previous episodes, I say like, like, like, like, totally like.

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667 likes.

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Like, like, like, like, like.

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So we are going to rate our movies on a like scale.

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One to 10 likes.

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And I'm giving this five likes.

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I like the plot.

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But going back and watching it, I had a hard time with a lot of the acting.

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So I gave it a five.

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For me, I like it more, I guess, than you did.

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I'm a little bit more like an 8.

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Whoa!

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For a horror movie, I think it's an 8.5.

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I think it's one of the best ones ever done because it really focuses on the

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suspense aspect and doesn't try to make the violence of the murders the point,

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which other movies do.

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This is more about the suspense.

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Right, there's none of the gore.

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Yeah, and granted, it was on a shoestring budget.

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I think it was made for like 500 grand, something like that.

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300,000.

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Okay, so they had no money to work with, so they really had to emphasize the suspense.

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And I think you go back and when he's just in those bushes,

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you see him step out from the bushes and then just disappear.

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I found that to be really, really suspenseful.

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I really liked how they did that.

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So I love this movie.

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I'm going like seven.

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Seven on this one.

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I love it.

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I hate it.

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Seven's still pretty high, though.

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See, this is the sad thing.

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I gave it a five.

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This is my favorite of the three.

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Wow.

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Oh, wow.

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This is probably like my least favorite of the three.

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Let me read your paper.

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Let me adjust that.

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I'm going to go down.

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I'm going to go with a six.

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Wait, you went down because she told you to go down?

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I said it was my favorite, though.

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Then he all of a sudden went down.

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No, because this isn't my favorite.

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He's like, oh, Caitlin likes this movie.

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I'm going to say like a six, maybe seven.

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Oh, I'm being the hard critic tonight.

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What I liked about it, what I...

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Watching it as an adult now, it was really cheesy.

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And it was really poor acting.

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I think that's the part that I had a hard time getting past.

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Yeah.

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Now, watching it as a child, different.

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Right.

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It would have been scary.

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Right.

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But now seeing it, what I appreciate now, though, is...

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I like minimalist stuff, and this was as bare bones as it can get.

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Yes, I do agree with that.

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The music is what I really liked about the movie, and that was basically what I liked about it.

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Would you give it?

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How many bathtubs did you give this movie?

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How many likes?

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No, like a 6.8.

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That's a pretty good rating, though.

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Wow, I give it the worst.

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But why?

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What's your reason?

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Why?

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I don't know.

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You slept through the whole movie.

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Not that one.

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No, I know this one more than the other two because I feel like I've watched it more recently.

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Every time around Halloween, we'll put it on.

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I don't know.

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I love the opening to this movie where they're driving to the psychological... That's not the opening.

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The opening is when he kills his sister.

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Oh, you're right.

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And then it goes to the other part.

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You're right.

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I forgot that.

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But I love the drive through the rain to get to the psychiatric ward.

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And he's just explaining to this lady who's.

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She's a nurse.

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She's a nurse.

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Okay.

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About how you're just going to drug him up so much that he can barely react.

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And then they're like, they just see people out wandering around.

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I mean, how terrifying would that be?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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You know, like the people walking in the field?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It was just like normal.

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No, no, no.

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Something had happened.

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Everybody in this.

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There was nothing normal about that.

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No, I know there's nothing normal, but they didn't.

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They weren't like upset about it.

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No, but they broke out was the point.

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Oh, the doctor and the nurse driving by, they're like, oh, okay.

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Well,

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because I think at that point they're like,

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okay,

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some of these people are out,

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but not all of them.

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But it's nighttime.

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Why would they be out in their robes walking around?

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That's...

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It's a little weird.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Because Michael killed all the staff.

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Yeah.

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That's what I took from it.

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So you know the part where he gets,

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so the doctor gets out to try to get the gate open and it's just the nurse in the

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car and then Michael comes and crashes the window open.

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So if you look very carefully, there is actually, the actor had a wrench.

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glued or taped to his arm which is what actually cracked the window when he was

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doing that if you if you look at it in slow motion you can see that he had a wrench

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to make the window break right exactly that's pretty cool but i also think it's

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really hard to rank

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Halloween set the stage for these other movies.

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So it's really hard not to take that into account when you're rating it too because

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it's like there are so many copycat films from this one movie.

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That done it better.

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Which did it better?

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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I think the plot kind of sets up so many other... Sure.

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I mean,

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the whole aspect of the stalking and escaping an asylum or a prison or being inside

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the house is such a big plot line of so many horror movies.

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Yeah.

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The point of view from the camera angle.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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Jamie Lee Curtis, which we know plays Laurie Straud, and this is her big first time movie debut.

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And part of the reason that she actually got this role was because her mother was

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the lead actress in Psycho.

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And so they knew that that would kind of stir up some some talk and good publicity for the movie.

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So she I think she was in like a couple of shows and they had noticed her.

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But hearing that aspect, they were they thought that that would be really good for the movie.

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She was young, too.

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She was very young, yes.

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The funny thing about this movie,

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and I have this written down for each movie,

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is that the actual villain is only in the movie for like...

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A couple minutes.

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Yes.

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So Michael Myers is only in this movie for nine minutes.

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Really?

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Which is more than some of the others.

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Yes.

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Nine minutes.

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Kind of crazy.

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And this is what's really interesting about the movie is

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They're playing on the fear, not him.

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Right.

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Like he's not the star of this movie.

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It's all what you stir up in your mind, which I do.

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I love about this movie because it's like they wanted to focus on they did not want the gore aspect.

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They wanted you to focus on what you conjure up in your own mind.

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Which is so much scarier a lot of times than what you're actually seeing.

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You're just like anticipating things.

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But Michael Myers was actually originally referred to as the shape in the script.

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That's what he was called.

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And the original actor who played him,

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Nick Castle,

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became Michael Myers only because he worked on the set,

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but...

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didn't always need to be there and he kind of just like wanted to hang around with

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everybody just like because they were his friends and while hanging around they

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were like um you're kind of creepy just wanna do you just wanna play michael myers

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you just want to kill people so he's just like he's just like staring at everyone

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from like outside of the bush you know what that's what we need that works can you

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do that but with a mask

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That actually works for what we're trying to do here, you creep.

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Do you know how they got the mask for them?

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Oh, I do.

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I have that.

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Yeah.

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So they actually, the prop guy, the prop director.

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Propologist.

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Yeah.

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The proctologist.

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Go on.

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He went to a store that primarily sells masks, and he found this Captain Kirk mask.

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And so they kind of... For $1.98.

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Yeah.

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Ooh, I didn't know that.

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That's an interesting fact.

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So he kind of gutted it a little bit,

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but they had this Captain Kirk mask,

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and they cut the eyes out,

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and then they painted the entire face white,

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and they darkened the hair up.

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And that became the Michael Myers, that like very blank stare, very creepy.

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The mask also is part of the sound for the breathing.

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Did you find that?

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Really?

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So the breathing sound of Michael Myers, John Carpenter did that.

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Okay.

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And it was through the mask.

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So he was breathing.

(00:19:40):
They couldn't afford a person to do sound effects.

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So he did.

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And so he was breathing.

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It wasn't meant for the movie.

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He was breathing through trying to just create sounds.

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Okay.

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And that became the sound of Michael Myers breathing.

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The one thing that I took away from this,

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though,

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it's like in every horror movie,

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you know,

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when you're like screaming at that main character,

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like,

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why are you doing this?

(00:20:04):
Why did Laurie drop the knife so many times in this movie?

(00:20:11):
It drove me crazy.

(00:20:13):
How many times could you have stabbed him, Laurie?

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Like...

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So this was also one of the first,

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I think it was the second I found,

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of the final girl in the movie to survive.

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Oh.

(00:20:28):
Yeah.

(00:20:29):
This was the start of that trend of the girl surviving in the end.

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Okay.

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So you said this was the second?

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I don't know who the first was.

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Oh, that's very interesting.

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We'll have to find that.

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I probably should have found that before.

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But I didn't.

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There were some movie mistakes.

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Oh, I looked up.

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I love a good continuity mistake.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Where was the movie?

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Where did the movie take place?

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Illinois?

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Haddonfield.

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Ohio.

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No.

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Was it Illinois?

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Oh, Illinois.

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Which I don't believe is actually a real place.

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Haddonfield.

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No, it was makeup.

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But yeah, there is Haddonfield, New Jersey, isn't there?

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There is.

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However.

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In the scene where they're coming down,

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where the stalking,

(00:21:15):
where he was in the car and they were coming down the street and she was with her friends.

(00:21:20):
Oh, with her friends, yeah.

(00:21:21):
If you look in the backdrop, there's a palm tree.

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Because it's actually California.

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In California.

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Because the house is actually in Pasadena, California.

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And there's palm trees in the background.

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Oh, good catch, Ryan.

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And they never cut it out.

(00:21:37):
Interesting.

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I thought that was really, yeah.

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Of course they had it.

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Really small budget.

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They did.

(00:21:44):
They could have added a bomb tree out of them.

(00:21:47):
That bothered Ryan.

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Obviously.

(00:21:51):
Yeah, well, because I read that before and then I saw it.

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And I was like, oh, that's really interesting.

(00:21:56):
It's like right there.

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You see it.

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The opening scene where he killed his sister, the knife never actually penetrated her.

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They don't show the whole thing, do they?

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Well, they don't show the whole thing, but it never penetrates her and there's never a stab mark.

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It just hits her.

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So two years later, Friday the 13th comes out, written by Victor Miller, directed by Sean S. Cunningham.

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Now, in this movie, a very famous actor who had not been in a lot was Kevin Bacon, who played Jack.

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But we also have Betsy Palmer, who plays Pamela Voorhees.

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Adrienne King, who plays Alice.

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Robbie Morgan, who plays Annie.

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Lori Bartman,

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who plays Brenda,

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Jenny Taylor,

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who plays Marcy,

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and Harry Crosby,

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who plays Bill,

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who was at the time probably one of the most famous of the kids because he is son

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to Ben Crosby.

(00:23:02):
Bing?

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Bing.

(00:23:05):
Yeah, the singer.

(00:23:06):
Mm-hmm.

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11-year-old Jason Voorhees drowns at Camp Crystal Lake due to the negligence of camp counselors.

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Years later,

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a group of teenagers work to get the camp ready to reopen,

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and a murderer slowly kills them off one by one.

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With only one camp counselor remaining,

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she runs into the surprising serial killer that has been terrorizing her and her friends.

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I gave this a four.

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Out of 10.

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Four likes out of 10 likes.

(00:23:43):
Damn.

(00:23:44):
I'm more in the seven area.

(00:23:46):
I was harsh on these ones.

(00:23:48):
I'll tell you what.

(00:23:49):
I think I gave Halloween about an eight something.

(00:23:52):
I think Friday the 13th pleasantly surprised me.

(00:23:56):
Even on rewatch, I'm in the seven five.

(00:23:59):
Oh, I was the harsh one.

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I think it was really good.

(00:24:03):
The suspense was fantastic.

(00:24:06):
Uh,

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I just thought it was really,

(00:24:09):
now that music makes it,

(00:24:11):
and we'll know more about that later,

(00:24:13):
but the score was great and just that.

(00:24:17):
I do agree with that.

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I think I had a really hard time with these movies getting past the acting.

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Oh, I thought this acting was way better than Halloween.

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Did you really?

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Yes.

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This was Hallmark's version of horror.

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It was bad acting.

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Yeah, it was... I was maybe a five, six, five in that range.

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What I find interesting about some of these movies,

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like Friday the 13th,

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reviewing the first one is so weird because the first one isn't the Friday the 13th

(00:24:50):
that people know.

(00:24:51):
Especially with Friday the 13th specifically because...

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The murderer isn't who you think it's going to be.

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Right.

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He's not part of the movie.

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It's not who the franchise is based off of.

(00:25:03):
Exactly.

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It's almost like one of those where Friday the 13th 2 would be more like a kind of

(00:25:08):
an interesting look because that's where the franchise goes.

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You know, like that's where it takes off where Jason's the killer.

(00:25:17):
I do think it was pretty badass that his mom was the one doing the killing.

(00:25:20):
It was a cool twist.

(00:25:22):
I did enjoy that twist, yeah.

(00:25:24):
And this movie is broadly based off of the structure of Halloween.

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They did get the idea of the gradual killing off of the teenagers from that and

(00:25:37):
seeing what success Halloween had.

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They did kind of follow that formula.

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And they put them in a camp, a campground that was nowhere near like civilization.

(00:25:47):
Right, exactly.

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So with Halloween, it was kind of he cut off the phone lines so they didn't have access.

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I think the whole premise was that it was like these teenagers that somehow did not

(00:25:59):
have any way to contact adults for help,

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which Halloween and Friday the 13th both had in their own kind of ways.

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And this was the first movie to use camp as the site.

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This began the trend of all things camp, woods, all that stuff.

(00:26:20):
And this was actually, originally the movie was going to be called Long Night at Camp Blood.

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That's terrible.

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Which is, yeah.

(00:26:29):
So I wanted to bring this up.

(00:26:31):
I didn't bring it up during Halloween, but...

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Halloween, Ebert gave Halloween four stars, four out of four stars.

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He loved it.

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But when it came to Friday the 13th, he wouldn't even review it.

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Why?

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Because he hated it that much.

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So he did watch it.

(00:26:48):
Yeah.

(00:26:50):
They watched it.

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But that's his review.

(00:26:51):
I'm not reviewing it.

(00:26:53):
Yeah.

(00:26:54):
Now,

(00:26:54):
back in the day,

(00:26:55):
back in the 80s,

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Siskel and Ebert had a show called At the Movies where they would watch a movie and

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then they would turn to the camera and review it.

(00:27:02):
During that, Siskel hated it so much that he published the address of Paramount to elicit hate mail.

(00:27:12):
And he also published the address of the lady.

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Yes, Betsy Palmer.

(00:27:17):
Yes.

(00:27:18):
He didn't give her address, but he said she lives in such and such town of Connecticut.

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If you put her name and that town, it will get to her.

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I don't like that.

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Because he hated it so much he wanted to elicit hate mail for the actors.

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I think that's terrible.

(00:27:34):
Yeah, I thought it was kind of scummy too, honestly.

(00:27:36):
I'm not a fan of that.

(00:27:40):
They were very prudish in their reviews too.

(00:27:42):
It's like, ooh, a scantily clad girl gets killed.

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What message is that sending to everyone?

(00:27:50):
It's like, I don't know.

(00:27:51):
I just don't see it.

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And then so you don't like a movie and then we're sending hate mail to people and

(00:27:58):
trying to ruin their life.

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I don't like that.

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Agreed.

(00:28:03):
Camp Crystal Lake is actually a functioning camp that's called Camp Nobibosco.

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I want to take a tour.

(00:28:11):
We are going on a tour.

(00:28:13):
That would be a cool retreat.

(00:28:14):
Isn't it in New Jersey?

(00:28:15):
It's only in New Jersey.

(00:28:16):
It's in New Jersey.

(00:28:17):
They do private tours.

(00:28:18):
Really?

(00:28:19):
Okay.

(00:28:20):
So it's a fully operational camp,

(00:28:23):
and the cast and crew actually got access right after all the campers left at the

(00:28:29):
end of the summer.

(00:28:30):
Erica had something to say.

(00:28:32):
Isn't Friday the 13th the one where they got the one person to do it because her car was shit?

(00:28:37):
Yeah.

(00:28:37):
So Betsy Palmer, who, yeah, she was a more well-known actress at the time.

(00:28:41):
Um,

(00:28:47):
wasn't a fan when they proposed the idea of this movie to her but she needed a new

(00:28:52):
car so she decided to sign on which with a lot of these movies we found that a lot

(00:28:59):
of the actors who did it just thought they were doing this movie that would never

(00:29:03):
see the light of day right so you know what you give me that money i'll get a car

(00:29:07):
and no one's gonna see this movie anyway yeah right so

(00:29:12):
Many of them were really embarrassed when it went mainstream.

(00:29:15):
Yeah.

(00:29:17):
Yeah.

(00:29:17):
And I'm sure Betsy Palmer was one of them.

(00:29:20):
Yeah.

(00:29:20):
I mean, I think for her at least, like she's only in the very ending.

(00:29:25):
She was actually cast later.

(00:29:27):
So a lot of the movie where you're seeing like –

(00:29:32):
kind of random spots where it's like the murderer's hands or something.

(00:29:36):
It's not her.

(00:29:37):
She wasn't even cast at the time.

(00:29:40):
Um, it's random like crew members that are doing it.

(00:29:44):
Um, she wasn't cast until very much later.

(00:29:47):
Um,

(00:29:47):
but a lot of,

(00:29:49):
especially the female actors,

(00:29:51):
um,

(00:29:52):
yeah,

(00:29:52):
I mean,

(00:29:53):
I,

(00:29:53):
when I watched,

(00:29:54):
um,

(00:29:55):
on Netflix,

(00:29:55):
the movies that made us,

(00:29:56):
there was an episode about Friday the 13th and there was an actress who said,

(00:30:00):
um,

(00:30:01):
her mother-in-law and father-in-law watched this and it was like mortifying to her.

(00:30:07):
Like they did not think that this was going to become what it was.

(00:30:11):
Yeah.

(00:30:12):
Yeah.

(00:30:13):
And, but also she never had a career after that, which is really terrible.

(00:30:19):
Um, and you know what?

(00:30:22):
Not to get on my feminist rant,

(00:30:23):
but then Kevin Bacon did and he was her counterpart in all of those scenes.

(00:30:30):
Um,

(00:30:32):
It's just a different standard, I think.

(00:30:35):
Yeah, same with Jamie Lee Curtis, who is never to be heard from again.

(00:30:38):
I don't want to interrupt.

(00:30:41):
Go ahead.

(00:30:43):
So this I thought was very interesting.

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So Betsy Palmer, as I said, was cast very much later on.

(00:30:49):
But she was a very method actor.

(00:30:53):
So coming into this role, she wanted to create this whole backstory for her character.

(00:30:58):
So looking at the whole storyline,

(00:31:01):
she came up with the fact that her character had this very much of this hatred of

(00:31:06):
sexual transgression.

(00:31:07):
So in her mind,

(00:31:09):
her character,

(00:31:10):
which we don't see any of this on screen,

(00:31:13):
but in her mind,

(00:31:14):
she felt that her character had Jason out of wedlock.

(00:31:18):
with a high school boyfriend.

(00:31:20):
And her parents ultimately disowned her... for sins of having a child out of wedlock.

(00:31:25):
And because of that... she feels that it isn't something that good girls do.

(00:31:32):
So it kind of played into the fact...

(00:31:34):
that all of these kids are having these sexual transgressions at this camp,

(00:31:40):
which only made her that much more upset about the fact that her son drowned and

(00:31:46):
they were not paying attention and this was what was going on.

(00:31:49):
And we kind of see that play out.

(00:31:52):
with all of these teenagers at the camp it's a pretty drastic jump to just start

(00:31:56):
killing people agree because of that and especially because her son at this point

(00:32:03):
drowned years ago and these are completely random strangers yeah yeah who could

(00:32:08):
possibly is it really her though or is it jason because no it's her the first one

(00:32:14):
is her what about the killer mommy

(00:32:17):
Kill her.

(00:32:17):
We're getting a little bit of schizophrenia.

(00:32:22):
Maybe she's hearing the voice of her dead child.

(00:32:24):
I don't know.

(00:32:26):
It was a weird one for me.

(00:32:27):
I wasn't a huge fan of this one.

(00:32:32):
The scene with the snake.

(00:32:34):
Kevin Bacon?

(00:32:35):
When he killed the snake.

(00:32:37):
Oh, the snake.

(00:32:38):
I thought you said steak.

(00:32:39):
That's what I heard.

(00:32:41):
Ben's steak.

(00:32:43):
That's all the same.

(00:32:45):
That was a real snake.

(00:32:46):
That was somebody's snake.

(00:32:48):
I believe it was a crew member's snake or something.

(00:32:49):
They killed it for the sake of the movie?

(00:32:52):
Well, they weren't supposed to.

(00:32:54):
But the snake was there and they chopped it up with the machete.

(00:32:58):
Right.

(00:32:58):
You always have these really great random facts that I don't find.

(00:33:02):
I make them up.

(00:33:03):
I make them up.

(00:33:04):
But they killed the snake.

(00:33:05):
This guy was like, yeah, I have a snake here.

(00:33:07):
Use it for the film.

(00:33:08):
And they just fucking killed it.

(00:33:10):
I don't know if it was whose snake it was,

(00:33:11):
but it was a snake that I believe was a crew members and they killed it with the machete.

(00:33:16):
Yeah.

(00:33:17):
Pretty crazy.

(00:33:18):
So they weren't trying to kill it?

(00:33:20):
It was supposed to be a prop.

(00:33:20):
Yeah.

(00:33:21):
Yeah.

(00:33:22):
And he accidentally killed it.

(00:33:23):
Actually killed it.

(00:33:24):
No, they killed it.

(00:33:25):
It was an accident.

(00:33:26):
Oh, it wasn't an accident.

(00:33:27):
He took his machete and chopped it up.

(00:33:29):
Wow.

(00:33:30):
Yeah.

(00:33:30):
Pretty crazy.

(00:33:31):
Wow.

(00:33:32):
Yeah.

(00:33:32):
Oh, that's intense.

(00:33:33):
Yeah.

(00:33:34):
Sorry, snake.

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R.I.P.

(00:33:37):
R.I.P.

(00:33:38):
Snake and Brian the 13th.

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So one of the most infamous kills,

(00:33:44):
I think,

(00:33:44):
in this movie,

(00:33:45):
which I like remember since I watched it since I was a kid,

(00:33:49):
was Kevin Bacon's murder when he's lying in the bed and you see the arrow come

(00:33:55):
through his neck.

(00:33:57):
Through a mattress.

(00:33:58):
Yes.

(00:33:59):
Like, I mean, like, how horrifying is that?

(00:34:01):
Like, you're just lying in bed.

(00:34:04):
But so the way they actually went about the scene was kind of insane because how

(00:34:09):
they had to do it is that Kevin Bacon had to crouch down under the bed and like

(00:34:14):
insert his head through this hole that they had in the mattress.

(00:34:18):
And then they created this like latex neck and chest.

(00:34:23):
to make it appear like his whole body was like connected and to make it appear like

(00:34:28):
he was actually like lying down.

(00:34:31):
And then they had to set up this like thing that when it went through,

(00:34:35):
like the blood would like,

(00:34:36):
like squirt out.

(00:34:37):
So this whole setup took hours.

(00:34:40):
And the entire time Kevin is bacon is sitting in this thing and completely like uncomfortable in this.

(00:34:46):
And they had one shot to do this.

(00:34:49):
Otherwise they had to do the entire thing over again.

(00:34:51):
I didn't see this.

(00:34:52):
And apparently like it started going wrong.

(00:34:56):
Whatever the mechanism that like shot the blood out wasn't like working.

(00:35:00):
So one of the crew members took it and started just like blowing in it to get the

(00:35:05):
blood to shoot out like with his mouth because otherwise they would have had to set

(00:35:10):
up the entire thing all over again.

(00:35:12):
And luckily like it worked.

(00:35:15):
Okay.

(00:35:18):
Um,

(00:35:19):
but the biggest thing that I know I've already told you guys this,

(00:35:22):
but that infamous song is like,

(00:35:26):
uh,

(00:35:26):
the sound that we hear that we think we hear is not exactly quite like actually

(00:35:33):
what we hear when they were creating this,

(00:35:35):
they wanted to come up with something more.

(00:35:39):
That was very infamous.

(00:35:41):
So they took the line of kill her,

(00:35:44):
mommy,

(00:35:45):
that we hear at the end when Betsy Palmer is like hearing Jason's voice.

(00:35:50):
And they took the ki from kill and the ma from mommy.

(00:35:54):
And they spoke it in a very like harshly sounding like rhythmic voice.

(00:36:00):
And then they also made it kind of like run with this like echoey sounding.

(00:36:04):
So it's like ki, ki, ma.

(00:36:07):
That's actually what we're hearing,

(00:36:09):
which is so interesting because I that didn't sound like that at all to me.

(00:36:13):
But now now that I know I can't unhear that at all.

(00:36:18):
Even though you told me that's what it was, I still kind of don't hear that.

(00:36:22):
Oh no, I hear it.

(00:36:25):
Once I knew what it was, I hear it all the time.

(00:36:27):
I can't unhear it now.

(00:36:27):
You guys need to get your hearing checked.

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No, I don't always hear it.

(00:36:34):
It's there.

(00:36:34):
Sometimes, but not all the time.

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But once the murderers were revealed as the mom there, I feel like they could have taken her out.

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What do you mean?

(00:36:49):
Once she's just like, I felt like, all right, now you have this middle-aged woman coming after you.

(00:36:54):
I'm like, I could, all right.

(00:36:57):
You could take her out.

(00:36:58):
Well, by that time, it's one girl left.

(00:37:00):
Yeah, well, I think she could handle her.

(00:37:02):
She did.

(00:37:03):
Good for her.

(00:37:05):
Chop that head off real good.

(00:37:07):
She did chop that head off.

(00:37:09):
Which big movie mistake in that scene there.

(00:37:14):
Did you know that?

(00:37:14):
Did you notice it?

(00:37:16):
The hairy arms?

(00:37:18):
I had to go look it up.

(00:37:20):
So they decapitated her when they cut back to the, what's her name?

(00:37:29):
Betsy Palmer?

(00:37:30):
No, the one who cut her head off.

(00:37:33):
Kevin Bacon?

(00:37:34):
No, whatever.

(00:37:36):
Whatever the girl's name was.

(00:37:37):
So the knife was clean.

(00:37:40):
Oh, interesting.

(00:37:41):
They sliced through, blood everywhere.

(00:37:43):
The knife was dry.

(00:37:44):
Oh, okay.

(00:37:45):
The machete was dry.

(00:37:47):
I got to tell you, that's probably the least mistake they made in that movie.

(00:37:53):
There was a lot.

(00:37:53):
This was this was not a great movie.

(00:37:55):
Well,

(00:37:55):
a very huge mistake that actually happened is like,

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you know,

(00:37:59):
they did a lot of their like own like effects.

(00:38:02):
They were like kind of like creating on the spot.

(00:38:05):
And so Harry Crosby,

(00:38:07):
Bing Crosby's son,

(00:38:08):
during his death scene,

(00:38:10):
he actually gets like an arrow through the eye and we see him kind of like up

(00:38:13):
against this door and

(00:38:14):
Yes.

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So during this time they were trying to create like really like authentic looking

(00:38:20):
blood that was like dripping down him,

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like on his shirt.

(00:38:24):
So they created this like, like wet agent with something called photo flow to make this like blood.

(00:38:32):
And make it look super realistic.

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And he actually became partially blind for six months.

(00:38:53):
Six months.

(00:38:54):
Six months.

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He had to go to the hospital.

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And he did fully recover, but it took a very long time.

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It like soaked into his actual eye.

(00:39:03):
So there was a lot of like experimenting with things going on here.

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Oh, thanks.

(00:39:08):
Yeah.

(00:39:08):
Yeah, definitely.

(00:39:10):
Not signing up for that.

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But a funny thing is that Jason's name wasn't even supposed to be Jason.

(00:39:16):
Originally, he was going to be Josh Voorhees.

(00:39:19):
Right.

(00:39:20):
Not as scary.

(00:39:21):
No.

(00:39:21):
It sounds like Chad Voorhees.

(00:39:25):
But I mean, it could have been if that's how we knew him.

(00:39:27):
Exactly.

(00:39:28):
That's the thing.

(00:39:29):
Oh, really?

(00:39:29):
What's scarier, Josh Voorhees or Joshua Voorhees?

(00:39:35):
I mean, Jason Voorhees.

(00:39:36):
You hear Jason, you're like, hmm.

(00:39:38):
Because that's what we know.

(00:39:39):
Right.

(00:39:40):
Yeah.

(00:39:40):
It's like, I don't know.

(00:39:43):
But the last thing I wanted, this is just like a funny thing.

(00:39:46):
So in 1992, Jason Voorhees actually received a Lifetime Achievement Award from MTV.

(00:39:54):
He was the third fictional character to win this award.

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Who do you think won it before him?

(00:39:59):
Freddie.

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Mike Myers.

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guesses wait hold on is it a horror character it's a fictional fictional fictional

(00:40:08):
character rocky balboa wait and what you're what hold on this is 1992 okay two

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other fictional characters won this award before is it a superhero give us a hint

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male female both male

(00:40:24):
Rocky Balboa is not a superhero.

(00:40:38):
Yes, he is, but I was referring to John who said Superman.

(00:40:41):
All right, fictional characters.

(00:40:44):
Just give them to us.

(00:40:46):
Godzilla.

(00:40:47):
What?

(00:40:48):
And Chewbacca.

(00:40:52):
But why Godzilla?

(00:40:53):
And why Chewbacca?

(00:40:54):
I was not on the board deciding that.

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I guess.

(00:41:01):
Greatest dialogue ever.

(00:41:03):
Yeah.

(00:41:05):
All right.

(00:41:07):
And we're going to go into our last movie.

(00:41:09):
This one, I need to like, I'm going to run from this one.

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1984, A Nightmare on Elm Street, written by Wes Craven, also directed by Wes Craven.

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And the most infamous actor I think that we know from this movie is... Freddie Cooper.

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Johnny Depp.

(00:41:28):
Johnny Depp.

(00:41:29):
He had his movie debut here.

(00:41:34):
But Robert... What was with his outfit in that movie?

(00:41:38):
Johnny Depp?

(00:41:39):
Yeah.

(00:41:40):
I can't even think of what he was wearing.

(00:41:42):
What was he wearing?

(00:41:44):
Wait, do I have the wrong character?

(00:41:45):
Maybe.

(00:41:45):
I don't know.

(00:41:46):
I just wear like jeans and a shirt.

(00:41:48):
I know.

(00:41:49):
He played Glenn?

(00:41:49):
He had a hip shirt.

(00:41:51):
He did?

(00:41:51):
He looked very handsome to me.

(00:41:54):
I guess.

(00:41:54):
Isn't that like, I don't know, wasn't that like a thing?

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Not for me.

(00:42:00):
I didn't wear half shirts.

(00:42:01):
Did you wear half shirts?

(00:42:02):
I never wore half shirts.

(00:42:03):
I can see you with a half shirt.

(00:42:04):
No.

(00:42:05):
I can see you with a half shirt.

(00:42:08):
Continue, please.

(00:42:09):
Anyway.

(00:42:10):
This dude was freaky.

(00:42:13):
Freddie or Glenn?

(00:42:13):
He had some big hair, too.

(00:42:14):
Both, but I was referring to Freddie.

(00:42:17):
Johnny Depp definitely sprayed and teased his hair up during this movie.

(00:42:22):
Maybe makeup did that?

(00:42:24):
Probably.

(00:42:25):
I concede.

(00:42:28):
Freddy Krueger killed at least 20 kids in a local neighborhood,

(00:42:31):
but was set free when he was let off due to his search warrant not being signed.

(00:42:37):
A group of parents burned him to death to protect their children,

(00:42:40):
but he returns through the dreams of teens chasing them through their nightmares

(00:42:45):
and eventually brutally murdering them.

(00:42:48):
I gave this movie a three.

(00:42:49):
What?

(00:42:50):
What?

(00:42:51):
Get out of here, girl.

(00:42:53):
I wish I had a sound effect to say, fuck.

(00:42:56):
Wait, you guys went higher?

(00:42:57):
What did you go with?

(00:42:58):
Oh, this was like an eight.

(00:43:00):
What?

(00:43:00):
Fuck that, dude.

(00:43:01):
What did you go with, Sean?

(00:43:03):
I was like in the three, four range.

(00:43:05):
I thought this movie sucked.

(00:43:06):
I hated this movie.

(00:43:07):
I hated this movie.

(00:43:09):
I did not like it at all.

(00:43:10):
How?

(00:43:10):
Were you afraid of it?

(00:43:11):
No.

(00:43:12):
So as a child, I was terrified of this.

(00:43:16):
Watching this as an adult.

(00:43:17):
It was so stupid.

(00:43:19):
I will say I went to bed pretty easy last night when I saw it.

(00:43:22):
We watched it last night.

(00:43:24):
Went to bed pretty easy.

(00:43:25):
So that's your rating scale.

(00:43:26):
You're like, if I can watch this and go to bed.

(00:43:31):
Thumbs up.

(00:43:31):
For me, this was what always scared me about him.

(00:43:34):
We were talking about it earlier.

(00:43:37):
The other Jason and Michael, you can run from those guys.

(00:43:41):
Could you?

(00:43:43):
You can.

(00:43:43):
You can't run from Freddie.

(00:43:46):
He is in your dreams.

(00:43:47):
You have to sleep.

(00:43:48):
At some point, you have to go to sleep.

(00:43:50):
Don't mess with my sleep.

(00:43:52):
Although you could just turn your back to him.

(00:43:56):
Sometimes.

(00:43:57):
That's the thing.

(00:43:59):
There's a lot of plot faults here.

(00:44:02):
Or bear hug him and bring him into the reality.

(00:44:06):
It's very confusing.

(00:44:08):
It's a fucking weird movie.

(00:44:11):
It is confusing.

(00:44:12):
But if you notice in this movie, again, the final girl survives.

(00:44:17):
So it's the theme that carries through all the way from Halloween.

(00:44:21):
Yes.

(00:44:22):
But

(00:44:23):
but the thing that I will say is kind of cool about this movie is that you think

(00:44:28):
this girl,

(00:44:28):
Tina is the main character.

(00:44:30):
They kind of set you up to make you think that she's dead and she's dead in the first 15 minutes.

(00:44:35):
Like, so I did kind of like how they like kind of switched that on you.

(00:44:40):
Um,

(00:44:42):
This movie actually was inspired by a series of articles that were in the L.A.

(00:44:48):
Times about refugees who fled to the U.S.

(00:44:52):
after there was war and genocide in Southeast Asia.

(00:44:55):
And these refugees were suffering from very disturbing nightmares and some of them

(00:45:00):
were dying in their sleep.

(00:45:02):
So this is where Wes Craven kind of got the idea of producing this movie.

(00:45:09):
we talked about kind of how Michael was only on the screen for nine minutes.

(00:45:14):
Freddy got ten minutes.

(00:45:16):
Oh, good for Freddy.

(00:45:17):
I had seven.

(00:45:19):
Oh, really?

(00:45:19):
Yeah, that's what I found.

(00:45:21):
Seven, ten, either way.

(00:45:23):
It's not a lot of time.

(00:45:24):
It's not.

(00:45:25):
But that's the fear of these guys.

(00:45:28):
Exactly.

(00:45:29):
One thing about this movie is...

(00:45:32):
When I picture a nightmare on Elm Street,

(00:45:36):
you never know how many of these...

(00:45:39):
When I think of Freddie,

(00:45:40):
I don't always think of this one.

(00:45:41):
I think it could be two, three, four, five.

(00:45:44):
There's like 13 or something of them.

(00:45:45):
I only think of this one.

(00:45:46):
I think his... No, it can't be.

(00:45:50):
wrong wrong but when I think of Freddy I think of his quips and like some of the

(00:45:57):
lines that he says like he was very in future movies he became more charismatic but

(00:46:05):
in this one

(00:46:07):
He didn't say much except for... He does... I mean, of the three movies, though, he does talk the most.

(00:46:15):
Like, we don't... Yeah.

(00:46:17):
We don't hear a lot from him.

(00:46:18):
I think in the future Freddies,

(00:46:20):
which I really haven't seen,

(00:46:21):
he reminds me more of Beetlejuice,

(00:46:24):
where he's talking and doing this stuff.

(00:46:26):
Yeah.

(00:46:27):
Which made develop his character so much more.

(00:46:29):
They show him in the beginning making his blades for his hands.

(00:46:33):
But this one... To me, is less scary.

(00:46:36):
I don't know.

(00:46:37):
There's something so scary about that silent villain that is just not saying anything to you.

(00:46:46):
It's like, just talk.

(00:46:47):
Just say something.

(00:46:48):
Out of all three as a child, this was it for me.

(00:46:51):
This one.

(00:46:53):
Just visually.

(00:46:55):
Visually, the screeching, the going to sleep, and tongue coming through the phone.

(00:47:02):
That shit's creepy.

(00:47:03):
I want to mention something about this.

(00:47:07):
He should have a nickname and it's Freddy the Petty.

(00:47:12):
Because we know for a fact that this guy was a freaking pedophile, right?

(00:47:17):
See, I didn't remember that.

(00:47:19):
I didn't know that until I watched it again.

(00:47:21):
And they did not... I don't think they actually say that, but they do say that he killed children.

(00:47:32):
But before he killed them, he probably did some other stuff.

(00:47:36):
Go ahead.

(00:47:39):
One of the things that I think is interesting about his appearance is that the

(00:47:43):
sweater that he wears,

(00:47:44):
that red and green.

(00:47:46):
So Wes Craven actually decided on those colors because he read in Scientific

(00:47:52):
America that the human eye has difficulty recognizing those particular shades of

(00:47:58):
red and green side by side.

(00:48:00):
So therefore, us watching it made it very unsettling.

(00:48:05):
So that like added to his whole appearance, which I thought was very interesting.

(00:48:11):
That is interesting.

(00:48:13):
Christmas is red and green.

(00:48:14):
That's what I was thinking too.

(00:48:16):
But I guess those particular shades of red and green were very...

(00:48:20):
There was also a part in the movie,

(00:48:23):
I didn't see it,

(00:48:25):
but the lighting was wrong and the color was yellow on the shirt.

(00:48:30):
Oh, no way.

(00:48:31):
I'm going to go back and try to find it.

(00:48:33):
Apparently the lighting was bad.

(00:48:34):
They never fixed it.

(00:48:35):
They didn't have the money to fix it.

(00:48:39):
And the red was yellow.

(00:48:41):
Well, I did see that they had the biggest budget out of all these.

(00:48:44):
All of them.

(00:48:44):
Yeah.

(00:48:45):
I guess.

(00:48:45):
Yeah.

(00:48:45):
Yeah.

(00:48:46):
With it coming later.

(00:48:46):
Yeah.

(00:48:51):
Even if they had the biggest budget, they did not gross the most.

(00:48:55):
No.

(00:48:55):
They grossed the least.

(00:48:56):
The least, yeah.

(00:48:57):
And it went in order of appearance also went who grossed the most.

(00:49:04):
Halloween made $47 million, and I think they spent like $400,000 or something.

(00:49:09):
$300,000, yeah.

(00:49:12):
Could you imagine spending $300,000 on a movie and making $47 million?

(00:49:16):
Yes, I found $70 million.

(00:49:17):
Yeah, I had $70 million as well.

(00:49:20):
I found both.

(00:49:22):
I was looking at one place and it actually had both those numbers.

(00:49:25):
I could have been only looking at domestic.

(00:49:28):
So I looked up box office and then streaming because I wanted to see what since

(00:49:34):
streaming and we've grown and evolved,

(00:49:39):
who has gone back and who's made the most.

(00:49:41):
So I had 70 for Halloween and 50 million through rentals and purchases.

(00:49:48):
For Nightmare on Elm Street?

(00:49:49):
No, for Halloween.

(00:49:51):
Oh, okay.

(00:49:52):
For streaming only.

(00:49:53):
Oh, okay.

(00:49:54):
So in addition.

(00:49:55):
And then Friday the 13th,

(00:49:57):
I had 60 for that one.

(00:50:01):
Yeah, yeah, 60 and then 30 million for streaming.

(00:50:05):
And then, sadly, my favorite of them all, Nightmare on Elm Street, 57 million.

(00:50:11):
57 million, that's what I have as well.

(00:50:12):
And then roughly 30 to 40 million on streaming.

(00:50:16):
So it came up higher in streaming.

(00:50:20):
But I think...

(00:50:23):
Halloween set the market, Friday the 13th, copied it, and Nightmare was a copy of a copy.

(00:50:29):
Which is why it got the most budget at the time.

(00:50:32):
Right, right, because they had a feeling that it would do pretty well.

(00:50:36):
So what I thought was kind of interesting,

(00:50:39):
a lot of these movies at the time did not have very big-name actors,

(00:50:42):
but with this and probably because they had a bigger budget...

(00:50:45):
They were going after Charlie Sheen to play Glenn,

(00:50:49):
which was Johnny Depp's role,

(00:50:50):
but ultimately they could not afford him.

(00:50:53):
So they found Johnny Depp.

(00:50:58):
Another thing about Freddie's appearance...

(00:51:03):
Which,

(00:51:03):
if you notice,

(00:51:04):
like,

(00:51:04):
a lot of times when we see him,

(00:51:05):
he has kind of that,

(00:51:06):
like,

(00:51:06):
where his shoulder is kind of,

(00:51:08):
like,

(00:51:08):
dropped.

(00:51:08):
So apparently,

(00:51:09):
like,

(00:51:09):
his knives were so heavy that the actor kind of just naturally,

(00:51:13):
like,

(00:51:14):
dropped his shoulder because he was,

(00:51:16):
like,

(00:51:16):
it was held heavy.

(00:51:18):
And that kind of just became part of the look.

(00:51:20):
You know how they made the scissors?

(00:51:22):
They're real.

(00:51:23):
They're real knives.

(00:51:24):
They are.

(00:51:25):
I want to hear more about that because there was a set that was used for really cutting shit.

(00:51:32):
And there was another set of scissors that was like...

(00:51:37):
And the ones they were using were like real knives that they had to be very careful with.

(00:51:41):
Because Robert Anglin was like fucking up his face.

(00:51:44):
Yeah.

(00:51:46):
He definitely cut himself a couple times.

(00:51:48):
I'm a little... I don't know why they decided to use real knives here.

(00:51:53):
Like why we're doing that.

(00:51:58):
It's the 80s.

(00:52:00):
Yep.

(00:52:04):
People would go skinny dipping with like real blades back then.

(00:52:07):
There was a lot going on in the 80s.

(00:52:12):
You just got to comb over it.

(00:52:15):
They were all bad.

(00:52:17):
As far as the three movies?

(00:52:19):
Yeah.

(00:52:20):
I think they were all bad.

(00:52:23):
I'm not in a rush to go back and watch any of them.

(00:52:28):
I watched Halloween and I was like, I gotta finish this shit.

(00:52:30):
God damn it.

(00:52:32):
Then I watched Friday the 13th and I watched half of it and then I watched

(00:52:36):
Nightmare on Elm Street and I watched half of it and I'm like,

(00:52:40):
I had to finish them for the podcast, but I was like, I'm not rushing back to finish these movies.

(00:52:46):
So you just would watch half of them and then go to a different movie?

(00:52:50):
Yeah, we'll just keep moving along.

(00:52:54):
I feel bad.

(00:52:55):
I feel like he's sad he had to watch his movies.

(00:52:57):
I know.

(00:52:58):
How do you watch half a movie and then move on to the next one?

(00:53:01):
Oh, very easy.

(00:53:02):
I can tell you how.

(00:53:03):
You just fall asleep.

(00:53:03):
You fall asleep.

(00:53:06):
Which I will say, I was the one that was awake this time.

(00:53:13):
I think that also happened during On Golden Pond as well, right?

(00:53:16):
It did.

(00:53:17):
I'm sensing a pattern here.

(00:53:23):
I'm sensing a pattern.

(00:53:25):
All right, so let's talk about, like, overall favorite, least favorite.

(00:53:30):
Who you thought was the scariest?

(00:53:32):
Because I think watching them now,

(00:53:34):
I think my views change very much since,

(00:53:37):
like,

(00:53:38):
I was watching them originally as a child,

(00:53:40):
I think.

(00:53:42):
All right.

(00:53:42):
Should I start it off?

(00:53:43):
Kick us off.

(00:53:43):
Yeah, please go.

(00:53:45):
So as a child, Freddy scared... I mean, scared me senseless.

(00:53:51):
Like...

(00:53:53):
Like you said, it's the concept of it's like very... It's not real.

(00:53:57):
Yeah.

(00:53:57):
You have no control over it.

(00:53:59):
You can't go to sleep.

(00:54:00):
Exactly.

(00:54:00):
And you don't mess with my sleep.

(00:54:02):
Messing with my sleep is the most horrific thing I've ever heard of.

(00:54:05):
Like, I just can't.

(00:54:06):
One, two... That's the freakiest song ever.

(00:54:10):
When they add kids to it, it's always so creepy.

(00:54:12):
Like, terrifying.

(00:54:15):
Growing up, I was terrified of Freddie because...

(00:54:17):
He's not real.

(00:54:19):
How do you escape from him?

(00:54:20):
He's ruining my sleep and you don't mess with my sleep.

(00:54:22):
It's horrific.

(00:54:24):
But now I feel like he just seemed so fake.

(00:54:28):
Cheesy?

(00:54:29):
Yeah.

(00:54:30):
And to me, I think now it's more of the realistic aspect.

(00:54:37):
And Michael Myers...

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stalking, being in your house, it's horrifying.

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Michael Myers... The movie itself was a little cheesy.

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Right.

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There's so much cheesiness.

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But how often does that actually happen where there's a stalker... Right.

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That was horrifying.

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And it's real.

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That can actually happen.

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Exactly.

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It's very, very real.

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And also,

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I mean,

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Jamie Lee Curtis is this teenager who's not only fearing for her own life,

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but she's babysitting and she's got these two kids that she's also supposed to be

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protecting here.

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So I'm going to go with Michael Myers is the most frightening.

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Also that mask with that blank stare, and it's like you can't even see his face.

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He also doesn't speak at all.

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I'd like to mention something about Friday the 13th.

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The mom takes the daughter downstairs into the cellar, and then she opens up this thing, and she's like.

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You're talking about Nightmare on Elm Street.

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I'm sorry.

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That's what I meant.

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My bad.

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You should just tell us your scariest person.

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It's bad.

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Go for it.

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Michael Myers was my favorite.

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Michael Myers.

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Same, right?

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All right, go ahead.

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We'll just move on.

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We don't need to go on to this.

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Let's just go.

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All right,

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so I thought Freddy was the scariest villain of all these movies,

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but I thought Friday the 13th was the scariest film out of the three.

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So...

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I must say, I don't think I ever really saw Friday the 13th growing up.

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I kind of knew of it, but I don't think I ever really watched the whole thing.

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What was the scariest aspect to you?

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I was jumping.

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I was actually kind of scared.

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He was laughing at me.

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Wait, you jumped Friday the 13th?

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You were really scared?

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Yes, there were a lot of jump scares.

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That is kind of the idea.

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That's why these movies exist.

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I personally think Friday the 13th does that part the best.

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Yeah.

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I feel like they build up the tension and then terrify you at the end.

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And there's so many teens that they're going after.

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Yeah.

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All of them.

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So it's a lot.

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It's a lot in one movie.

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I think the moral of all of these stories, teenagers stop having sex because that's what this is about.

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They all get killed.

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That's what, you sound a little bit like Gene Siskel right now.

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When I was a kid, Freddie.

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In 1983, he said the same thing.

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He said the same, and then he said, hey, Mel, but I'm not sending him out.

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I'm a nice guy.

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He was like, I'm just not writing this.

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But that was 1983.

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This is 2024, and you have the same opinion as Gene Siskel.

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Yeah.

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All right, moving on.

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Go ahead.

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When I was a kid, Freddie was 100% hands down the scariest for me.

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As an adult, he was kind of cheesy, but still has, he still ranks around the top.

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I think Michael Myers for me.

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would be much scared the living shit yeah yeah like he's big he's tall he just

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He's like the clown that just stands on the corner and stares at you and you don't

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know what he's thinking.

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That is more terrifying to me.

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I'm like, are you going to come at me?

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Yeah, what are you going to do?

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Or it's like, hey, nice station wagon.

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Off topic, we didn't watch this movie.

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The scariest of all of that, beyond that, Poltergeist.

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That's your all-time scariest?

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That's my all-time scariest.

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Even today, I don't want to look under the fucking bed.

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100%.

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I don't have one.

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There could be all kinds of stuff under your bed at this point.

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The dog goes under the bed.

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That's it.

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It's been a while.

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There's my watch.

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The dog goes under the bed.

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That's it.

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I do not.

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He takes care of all the stuff that you need.

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He keeps us safe.

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He goes under the bed?

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That's where he sleeps.

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Oh, yeah.

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Well, yeah, he goes there and on the bed, but mostly under the bed.

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I thought you were talking about like where he goes.

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That's the case.

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You better get under that bed.

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No, you better take care of that.

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Yeah, because I'm saying you might kind of want to revisit your stance on not going under the bed.

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Get a shampooer under the bed.

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I think my all time scariest was probably like,

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I know there's a franchise,

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but probably the original Saul movie.

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I never saw it.

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Oh my God.

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Do you guys know the girl who crawls out of the TV?

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The ring.

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Oh, my God.

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That is horrifying.

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That's a good one.

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Dude, I can't.

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With her hair in front of her face.

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We used to joke around.

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You know when you go in the... Well, you don't have long hair.

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Wait, is it the skinny girl with the long hair in front?

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you would get this but like clearly you're not looking at him Ryan would not get

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this reference but like when you go in the pool and you have your hair down you

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know and it's like all over the place we used to do that like where we would like

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put it in front of our face and like come up and pretend we were like a girl from

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the ring really

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I have to tell you, if you guys were like, hey, next episode's The Ring.

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Seven days.

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I'd be like, I'm not feeling that great.

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that is horror that i will agree that is a horrifying no there's there's a point

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where it's just uncomfortably scary that that film that they watch with all the

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weird things that they i've never seen it oh my god and then they get this phone

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call and they're like you're gonna die in seven

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Oh, nice.

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And then they do.

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And then they do.

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Cuts and credits.

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You're dead, Ryan.

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That's all I can hear.

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I have a question for you guys.

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This is off topic a little bit,

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but when I was growing up,

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there was a whole,

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this whole like scaring the shit out of little kids was like a big thing.

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That's lovely.

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Yeah.

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This was a big thing.

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It was like, we had the, the, uh, the thing in the mirror.

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If you say, Oh, Oh, you guys, we had a bathroom in our classroom and we'd throw kids in there.

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Yes.

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Bloody Mary and Candyman.

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I wasn't expecting this.

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I mean, I did this at my friend's house, not at school.

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Oh, yeah.

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Here's what we're going to do.

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All the time.

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Say her name or you don't get out.

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Let's do it right now.

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You said it three times.

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So there was a Bloody Mary and Candyman.

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Candyman.

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You ever see Candyman, the movie?

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I know.

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Roughly.

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All right.

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Next time.

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We have two for Freddy Krueger.

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Or you're a Michael Myers now.

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Well, I'm a Michael Myers now.

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All right, so three Michael Myers, one Freddy Krueger.

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So Michael Myers is the ultimate.

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What were you?

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I said Freddy.

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Freddy's my scariest character.

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Two in the Michael, one in the Krueger.

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Three in the Michael.

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Three in the Michael.

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Michael's getting three tonight.

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One in the Krueger.

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We need to come up with a new term for this.

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Yeah, I don't know.

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We'll figure it out.

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Wait, but three in the Myers.

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The scarer.

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I don't know.

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We just got it.

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Anyway, Michael Myers is the scariest oldies villain.

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Yes.

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And so next time we're going to be talking about the movie Seven.

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So watch it and follow along with us as we...

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talk about a very infamous fictional serial killer.